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Double Bass Newbie needs help choosing body and fingerboard...

I am getting my first new upright bass and can choose between options of body and fingerboard combinations… I was wondering if anyone can please help advise me?

The option choices are:

Body - Ash, Maple or Flamed Maple

Fingerboard - Granadillo, Zapan, Jatoba or Ebony

I play mostly salsa, acid jazz and some classical (not in an orchestra - just by myself) so was wondering which combination anyone would recommend?

Thanks!
 
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For the FB, ebony is probably the best choice, but for the body, and for a EUB, it depends on the construction.
I didn't know the Stagg was available with a choice of woods.

That said, wood choice may not be that important in the end.
The tone you'll get out of the instrument will depend much more on the player than the choice of woods.
Getting a nice tone from a DB (or EUB) is quite different than BG technique.
Your profile is empty so I don't know anything from your musical background.
 
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Ok, great advice... thanks!

I've been learning bass since I was a teenager and bought and elec bass and took out the frets thinking I was going to be another Jaco! lol ;) I have played a bit of cello, but want to make the jump from elec bass to upright... I'd love to get an acoustic, but I live in one room and there is truly no space for it (not to mention the rooms next door hearing the noise! :)
 
Ebony fingerboard every time. If you want to bow classical make sure it has a suitably curved fingerboard and bridge as well. An adjustable bridge is a great idea as well. If you wish to crank it up make sure that whatever EUB you get, that it doesn't rely on your thumb to squeeze the string into the neck. With the heavier guage strings you can be crippled very quickly. With the NS you can get an alternative to the stand that allows you to pull the bass back against your body. See Gollihurs. For other brands others will have to comment.
Good luck!
 
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Ebony fingerboard every time. If you want to bow classical make sure it has a suitably curved fingerboard and bridge as well. An adjustable bridge is a great idea as well. If you wish to crank it up make sure that whatever EUB you get, that it doesn't rely on your thumb to squeeze the string into the neck. With the heavier guage strings you can be crippled very quickly. With the NS you can get an alternative to the stand that allows you to pull the bass back against your body. See Gollihurs. For other brands others will have to comment.
Good luck!

Thanks, SeaMist - hey, I'm in Sydney... do you know any good places to look at upright basses (acoustic and EUBs) in Sydney? Thanks!
 
For the kind of fingerboard wood, better ask in the Setup and Repair forum.
It might depend on the kind of strings. Roundwound or less polished strings can eat up the fingerboard over time (even a very small dent might result in a buzz).
Ebony is the best, I think, but better ask a luthier that has more experience with different woods.

The Stagg with the rosewood fingerboard is OK, but the body support is a bit weak. And it is a cheap Instrument, that needs some tweaking here and there. The curvature of the bridge is rather low.

Personally (coming from a DB background) I don't like the NS Design, even with an endpin (which is better than the tripod). Seems to be made for bass guitar players and doesn't feel like a DB. Less chance to change the fingerboard curvature than with the rosewood fingerboard Stagg. Also much more expensive than the Stagg (specially with the endpin and body support).
Since you played a bit of cello before, I think you might want an instrument that is closer to a real DB than to bass guitar (and that is bowable too).

I never had a Baby Bass in my hands, but the sustain might be short due to the pickup construction (that salsa sound, but less suitable for jazz), larger and heavier than the Stagg and the NS Design, and probably more expensive. Probably also closest to a real DB of these three instruments.

A real DB could be put into the corner of a room with the strings facing the wall. Could also be a "wrong" corner between the wall and something solid like a cabinet or a shelf. Then you can make a floor decoupler and f-hole stoppers made of foam (look at the british basschat.co.uk forum) and the acoustic bass is much quieter to your neighborhood. And then you got the real thing.

There is nothing wrong in using an EUB, but it not the best for learning DB, since it feel different.
And the solid body instruments are hard to hear for yourself if there is some noise from the streets. Remember that there is about the same vibrational energy going into the floor over the endpin than with an acoustic DB.

The only thing EUBs do better is flying with them in a plane (but even then you might need to unmount the neck from the body (usually no big deal) and pack it in a solid case. Real DBs that are made for travelling usually are very expensive (the chinese Christopher being an exception, but still costs some money with the case).
 
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I don't know that much about Sydney suppliers. There used to the The Bass Shop but they no longer have an on line presence and some of their bases have headed south so I'm not sure what has happened there.

There is this site with an interesting hand made local EUB:

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With the makers site:

http://www.billpaulinbasses.com/index.html


And someone playing it:



I note that he is playing it very side on. This is causing his playing hand to curve right over which is quite bad for you.
Which brings me to another point. Even with an EUB and especially if you bow it, please take the time to find a double bass teacher to show you the ropes. It's easy to use techniques that will actually cause physical damage. Much more so with the full double bass. In this case I believe he is playing with the fingerboard way to far from his body IMHO.

Have fun exploring!
Gwen
 
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Sorry to rattle on but compare his technique to this guy with an NS NXT.



Left hand is straight with the hand wrist and arm all in line. The right hand is using an upright pizzicato technique vs the guy in the previous clip who is using a bass guitar style right hand technique.

It's really important to nail the technique differences early on even with an EUB.
Hope this is helping.
Gwen
 
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There is this site with an interesting hand made local EUB...

Have fun exploring!
Gwen

Wow! Funny you should post that... I was just thinking that if it is so rarer to find an EUB in Sydney, and so expensive to ship them here from overseas to buy one, why not make my own!! lol :)

Does anyone know of any good DIY EUB kits I could order online?

Also, thank you for your advice about finding a good teacher for technique... I would prefer to get a real acoustic double bass, but (if you know anything about Sydney rent prices ;) I live in a tiny room and simple do not have space for one :(

Anyway, thanks again Gwen (and everyone :) for all the helpful tips!

cheers,
Dan
 
Don't build your own one if you don't know what is important and how to solve problems. Planing the fingerboard is not easy.
I don't know of any kits, probably because there are no such thing because of all the setup stuff that can get problematic for a beginner.
Get a teacher and talk about the stuff before buying something.

BTW, do you think you would be able to make an electric cello yourself?

I planed a fingerboard just for one string that was buzzing on several positions and I needed to be very cautious and do that very slowly (that means it took several weeks of doing just a little bit every time. But I looked how the luthier was doing it and thought about a lot of potential problems before I took the scraper in my hands. Of course you can go to a luthier to let him plan the fingerboard, but there is other stuff you can do the wrong way or so bad that you need to get a new part to do it again.
 
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Don't build your own one if you don't know what is important and how to solve problems. Planing the fingerboard is not easy.
I don't know of any kits, probably because there are no such thing because of all the setup stuff that can get problematic for a beginner.

Yes, I should have clarified that I have no intention of planing my own fingerboard... I was hoping to find a pre-made kit that I could just assemble here in Australia (since it costs a fortune to ship anything here, and I thought a box of parts might be cheaper to post :)

Thanks for the advice though... I agree with you!

cheers,
Dan
 
I've never heard of such a thing. Given the precision required and the set up requirements I doubt such a thing exists. You can get the NS from The Bass Centre from Melbourne. They ship Australia wide. I recommend them highly. Personally I would try out the one in Sydney to see if you like it.
Gwen
 
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Yes, I should have clarified that I have no intention of planing my own fingerboard... I was hoping to find a pre-made kit that I could just assemble here in Australia (since it costs a fortune to ship anything here, and I thought a box of parts might be cheaper to post :)

You need to understand, that the setup is needed after building the instrument. Otherwise you only can dismount a ready made instrument (by unscrewing the neck from the body). But even then the affordable instruments often need a setup, even when new.

Even if a kit would existiert, you would have problems to make an instrument out of it that you would like to play. A good setup is most important to DB players.

Get a few lessons with a rented bass, so you can feel holding the bass and moving your body with the bass, then you will understand that you don't want a tripod mounted instrument (at least not if you want to learn how to play double bass).

Don't buy something until you can understand what is important and what needs to be avoided!
At least read a few months through the older and actual messages on talkbass (specially the setup and repair forum and less in the EUB forum) to learn what is important to a double bass. Even if you finally buy an EUB.
 
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