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NFL Week #1

#283
aborgman said:
Manning is THE king at avoiding taking hits and getting rid of the ball quickly to make up for bad offensive line play.
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Wha?? ? Say wha huh????

Man, every time Manning lost an anchor on that O Line he got creamed. He also could never handle a 3-4 defense...

No knocks on Manning, but he's at his best when his little world is perfect. If anything in his little world goes awry, he gets frazzled.
 
#284
KillianRussell said:
Yall really did not see much Philadelphia Eagles football pre 2004 (he carried the team on his shoulders ) , McNabb was such a threat opponents spied him with a linebacker. He kept drives alive with his feet on a team that had the likes of Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Torrence Smalls, Charles Johnson, Darnell Autry, an aging Dorsey Levans as offensive weapons. Duce Staley ( a decent back )was the only weapon
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And Duce Staley got hurt early in the season, and was lost for the rest of it. He was never the same afterwards.

McNabb was about as complete of a QB as you could ask for in his prime. He was a good runner with speed and hard to take down. He had great footwork and good delivery. His arm strength was good, and he had accuracy. But alligator arms Pinkston would hear footsteps and drop the ball, and other guys weren't where they should be. FredEx freelancing was a no-no in the WCO. Yet without a premiere receiver or back, he still had good stats and led his time to wins. If he were with another team with more weapons, he could have won a ring. He got to a Superbowl once they got TO.

A similar comparison, to me, is Barry Sanders and Emmit Smith. Emmit definitely has the numbers, but he also ran behind one of the best O-lines in history. Barry, on the other hand racked up numbers on an awful team. What if Barry played behind that legendary Dallas line? He would have shattered records.

If McNabb had Holt, Bruce, and Faulk or Harrison, Wayne, and Edge, who knows what he could have done.
 
#285
KillianRussell said:
Rich Gannon ....Huh ?
Trent Green..... put down the crack pipe
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I suggest you look at stats from those seasons. Those guys didn't have great careers, but they had amazing seasons in that time period.

If we look at Win Probability Added Per Game

2000:

#1 Daunte Culpepper
#5 Rich Gannon
#7 Trent Green
#21 McNabb

2001:

#1 Kurt Warner
#5 Rich Gannon
#15 McNabb

2002:

#1 Jeff Garcia
#4 Rich Gannon
#6 Trent Green
#26 McNabb

2003:

#1 Trent Green
#18 McNabb

2004:

#1 Peyton Manning
#5 Trent Green
#7 McNabb
 
#287
jive1 said:
And Duce Staley got hurt early in the season, and was lost for the rest of it. He was never the same afterwards.

McNabb was about as complete of a QB as you could ask for in his prime. He was a good runner with speed and hard to take down. He had great footwork and good delivery. His arm strength was good, and he had accuracy. But alligator arms Pinkston would hear footsteps and drop the ball, and other guys weren't where they should be. FredEx freelancing was a no-no in the WCO. Yet without a premiere receiver or back, he still had good stats and led his time to wins. If he were with another team with more weapons, he could have won a ring. He got to a Superbowl once they got TO.

A similar comparison, to me, is Barry Sanders and Emmit Smith. Emmit definitely has the numbers, but he also ran behind one of the best O-lines in history. Barry, on the other hand racked up numbers on an awful team. What if Barry played behind that legendary Dallas line? He would have shattered records.

If McNabb had Holt, Bruce, and Faulk or Harrison, Wayne, and Edge, who knows what he could have done.
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He'd easily have 2 SB trophies
 
#288
aborgman said:
Yes...

They also had a defense that ranked, in their worst season, about 7th in the entire NFL.
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A D that was no doubt helped by McNabb taking care of the football.

"Through the 2010-11 NFL season, McNabb ranks fourth best all-time in career interception percentage (2.20%) among NFL quarterbacks. Among quarterbacks with at least 1,500 pass attempts, only Aaron Rodgers (1.99%), Neil O'Donnell (2.11%), and Tom Brady (2.19%) have a lower career interception percentage than McNabb.[26]"
 
#289
aborgman said:
Manning is THE king at avoiding taking hits and getting rid of the ball quickly to make up for bad offensive line play.
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It helps alot if your receivers are where they are supposed to be. Otherwise, there would be even more incompletions and interceptions. Or the QB will hesitate for a split second to find anothe receiver, and then boom. If you take a look at Indy, their WRs are chosen for running precise routes. Harrison was one of the best, and Wayne is pretty d@mn good as well. Austin Collie and Blair White are not as athletically gifted as Garcon or Gonzales, but they are ahead on the depth chart because they know how to be where they are supposed to be.
 
#290
aborgman said:
I suggest you look at stats from those seasons. Those guys didn't have great careers, but they had amazing seasons in that time period.

If we look at Win Probability Added Per Game

2000:

#1 Daunte Culpepper
#5 Rich Gannon
#7 Trent Green
#21 McNabb

2001:

#1 Kurt Warner
#5 Rich Gannon
#15 McNabb

2002:

#1 Jeff Garcia
#4 Rich Gannon
#6 Trent Green
#26 McNabb

2003:

#1 Trent Green
#18 McNabb

2004:

#1 Peyton Manning
#5 Trent Green
#7 McNabb
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MANNING IS THE ONLY STIFF IN THAT LIST WHO WOULD HAVE WON WITH PHILLY'S LACK OF OFFENSIVE WEAPONS
 
#292
Once Owens arrived and Westbrook became part of the offense in 2004 Todd Pinkston did have a decent year at 6 foot 17 and 122 pounds Pinkston could fly. In 2004 he was a one trick pony as the Philly deep threat (18 yards per catch) as defenses Quadrupled teamed Owen (15 yards per grab)a west coast bull who was a run after catch guy and kept a safety on the speedy midget Westbrook. The emergence of Westbrook marked the end of McNabb's using his feet. Between 1999-2004 McNabb played a grand total of 14 games with a pro bowl wideout (Owens) and ZERO pro bowl tailbacks and never a pro bowl O-lineman
 
#294
GregC said:
A D that was no doubt helped by McNabb taking care of the football.

"Through the 2010-11 NFL season, McNabb ranks fourth best all-time in career interception percentage (2.20%) among NFL quarterbacks. Among quarterbacks with at least 1,500 pass attempts, only Aaron Rodgers (1.99%), Neil O'Donnell (2.11%), and Tom Brady (2.19%) have a lower career interception percentage than McNabb.[26]"
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Yes, and McNabb's stats were no doubt helped by the high number of turnover produced and the good field position given him.

That being said - McNabb is a very good QB at not turning the ball over (fumbling or interceptions), and he was a good QB. I just think he was barely top 5 in the league during his prime.

I mean - it isn't like I'm saying the guy is the 20th best QB in the league. I just don't see him as top 3 either.
 
#295
macaroni tony said:
How so? He got to the NFC championship game 4x with mediocre-to-sad talent. Add one good wideout, and he's got 1 SB appearance. Add a whole potent offensive squad, and do you really think it's a stretch to add 3 more wins to that record?
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Manning is better than McNabb.

Manning hasn't gone to 3 SB with that talent.

Ergo - McNabb wouldn't go to 3 SB with Manning's team talent.
 
#300
Great clip, thanks for posting it.

I wonder how many guys in the NFL right now have that kind of arm strength after running around in the backfield for 12 seconds. I know the guy on the team I like sure doesn't.

-Mike
 

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