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NFL Week #4

This. Of course the regular refs aren't perfect and will continue to make mistakes.

But really, some of you can't see the difference this year? Marking off the wrong number of yards multiple times, not making an official call before going to replay, not discussing a call when two refs disagree, losing control of the game, hemming and hawing so much that games are dragging and losing all rhythm? Really?

Yeah, there definitely is a marked difference with the replacement refs. The largest factor being losing control of the game in general. Say what you will about the refs we are used to, but for the most part you knew that the officiating crew will be a steadying influence on an NFL game
 
But really, some of you can't see the difference this year? Marking off the wrong number of yards multiple times, not making an official call before going to replay, not discussing a call when two refs disagree, losing control of the game, hemming and hawing so much that games are dragging and losing all rhythm? Really?

Somewhat, yes.

For example, they marked off NCAA penalty yards in Denver's second game, and Denver got the short end of the stick on that one. Still, with four turnovers, I'm not sure how much difference it made, but these things have a way of turning the tide in a game.

Conferring on close calls is obviously lost on these guys. Often, one ref asserts himself, and the others just follow. The League officials upstairs don't seem to be helping enough.

There is a definite "substitute teacher" syndrome developing now, and that is not helping a damn thing. Players and coaches being insulting and humiliating to the refs, inappropriate physical contact and grabbing, etc. We all know this is a tough situation, but that doesn't mean players and staff get to lose their minds and engage in intimidation tactics. That's just unprofessional and counterproductive.

Average length of a game with the sub refs: 8 minutes longer than usual. Not that much, considering how befuddled they are during games.

But some people are putting unfair blame on the sub refs. Like in the GB vs. Seattle game, expecting them to throw an interference flag on a jump ball in the end zone, when the regular refs virtually never do that (since the installment of contemporary interference rules, I have seen literally dozens of jump balls in the end zone with just as much if not more pushing and shoving, and I have never seen an interference flag, not once). Veteran referees admit that they will not throw an interference flag, they let the boys jump up and fight for it, but everyone wants to crucify the subs for not throwing a flag Monday night. That's not exactly fair.

However, in the same game, I saw many bad calls and no-calls that surely broke momentum and changed the tide of the game.

And that is getting pretty old. Regular refs, not much better, but at least people won't have the added frustration of assuming they are inexperienced and incompetent.

If they can't settle this, look for the NFL to tough it out and let these refs continue their OJT, learning the job trial by fire, and returning next season. Obviously, the NFL recruits its officials from the exact bunch of sub refs now working the games, and they are routinely considered ready to roll in one or two seasons.
 
If they can't settle this, look for the NFL to tough it out and let these refs continue their OJT, learning the job trial by fire, and returning next season. Obviously, the NFL recruits its officials from the exact bunch of sub refs now working the games, and they are routinely considered ready to roll in one or two seasons.

I would assume the NFL's hiring pool also includes NCAA 1A refs that have been barred by the NCAA from crossing the picket lines. While college rules still differ, the NCAA 1A refs are used to the speed and pressure of getting it right under heavy scrutiny. That takes more than a couple of seasons of classroom work to develop.
 
I would assume the NFL's hiring pool also includes NCAA 1A refs that have been barred by the NCAA from crossing the picket lines. While college rules still differ, the NCAA 1A refs are used to the speed and pressure of getting it right under heavy scrutiny. That takes more than a couple of seasons of classroom work to develop.

I didn't understand this very well. But I think this is what you are saying:

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The background preparation to qualify for an NFL offical is pretty extensive (the NFL is looking for ten years of experience at some combination of either NCAA or NFL Europe levels). But it seems once you have risen to the top and you're one of the 12-15 candidates selected to become an NFL official, the training is pretty quick.

"During the licensed official training school, students complete a variety of quizzes, exams and study courses with video and pictures to prepare them for careers as NFL officials. The school staff, which includes supervisors, trainers, assistants and coordinators, ensures that students gain a deep and thorough understanding of the rules and learn how to handle pressure situations. At the end of the term, students take two 75-question rules exams and answer 200 additional questions."

If you pass the tests, I assume that they consider you game-worthy shortly thereafter.

I'm not sure if the current bunch underwent this training/testing, but I assume many of the sub refs now officiating NFL games are at least approaching the lower-level tenure qualifying them as prospective NFL referee candidates.

I'm hoping they settle this and it will be a moot point shortly.
 
Waterpilot said:
Good to hear the refs are coming back! Seahawks head to St. Louis this week. Hopefully there will be a better offensive showing this week.

Seattle 24
St. Louis 10

I think we'll keep it closer than that. Our offense was bad vs the bears, but not bad in the 1st two games.
Defense has been good.

Seachickens 17
Rams 14
 
I'm not sure if the current bunch underwent this training/testing, but I assume many of the sub refs now officiating NFL games are at least approaching the lower-level tenure qualifying them as prospective NFL referee candidates.

For most of them - no.

Most weren't upper division NCAA or NFL Europe Refs. They were low division NCAA, NAIA, and even some Lingerie Football League Refs.
 
Screw it :D
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Hoping against hope.


While I'm at it ... can a brutha get his first TB:OT fantasy win please? For reals.
 

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