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No Pay Benefits Shows

Two upcoming benefits around here. One's for the Canadian Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund. One's for some guy whose house burned down, reputedly (& revealed quite late in the timeline) from an illegal & homemade distillation device. Pick your cause in accordance with your beliefs, but pick wisely with as much info as you can get.



I'm Stage Managing the Red Cross one. 10 minutes for changing acts seems snug but backline is provided; we're spec'ing 15 minutes for changes. Pedal boards are recommended, & left-handed drummers are going to be a team effort.

I can strongly appreciate bands being docked playing time when they spend excessive time setting up. If I'm seeing strong efforts to be efficient I'm not going to be a dick. If I see someone using stage time to figure out which pedal cable of theirs is defective, I don't see how that's anyone's fault but that band's.
 
I must be missing something but this whole argument of not doing charity gigs because it somehow devalues you and potentially lowers your earning ability for other gigs strikes me as somewhat bizarre.

There is an expectation that you're going to receive less or play for free at a charity gig. The expectations for a regular paying gig are different. It's a apples and oranges comparison.

Lawyers quite often do pro bono work. I don't know any lawyers that worry about lowering their hourly rate because they sometimes work for free.

For me, that argument applies more to "regular" gigs where bands are underpaid, play for free, or even pay to play.

The bigger drawback from benefit/charity gigs is that those who are willing to do them are subsequent more likely to get asked to do them (I've been there).

And, I wish that things were so equivalent between the world of music and the world of lawyers... but we all know they're not. Why are lawyers able to, as a group, command such a high price for their services? Because they, as a group, demand a high price for their services.
 
For me, that argument applies more to "regular" gigs where bands are underpaid, play for free, or even pay to play.

The bigger drawback from benefit/charity gigs is that those who are willing to do them are subsequent more likely to get asked to do them (I've been there).

You can always do a 'free' gig, and if and when another promoter asks you to do a free gig you can explain to them that the other gig was done only because your band feels passionate about that cause and that you would need payment for this new gig.
 
For those of you who are saying you never get exposure from charity gigs, the last event I played at yielded us:
  • Two paying gigs (a $400 bar gig with paid tab and an $800 dollar private party, which was awesome).
  • An invite back to play the big stage with a backline of our choosing (yup, still unpaid and happy to do it).
  • One of the guitarists met a new lady friend (aka, action).

So maybe you all are not that good. :smug:

You know what? I would have done it with a smile on my face even it none of that happened, because being a kid and having diabetes SUCKS, and people were thrilled to hear some good rock music at 8:00 in the a.m. before running a bunch of miles to raise some money for charity.

So there.
 
10 minutes really isn't a lot of time. <snip>. 10 minutes isn't enough time at all.
Depending on the setup of the event that's not accurate.

I played a relay for life event 2 years ago. The band that was on before us (8 piece reggae band) were still sound checking when we arrived, and continued sound checking through their starting time and were still playing on ours! We let the event coordinator know, who cut both our sets short. We were the last band (and only cover band willing to donate time) so the organisers tried making it a big bang send off since people would recognise the music.

Come swap over time, our members (4 piece with electronic drums) were at the sides of the stage helping them pull their gear off stage (it was a full backline swap), threw ours up and into place in less than a minute (we'd lined it all up, waiting for them) and connected it all up. Confirmed line levels with the sound crew, drummer counted us in and were rocking the joint in about six minutes while the sound crew adjusted our levels on the fly.

A local radio announcer/personality was present delivering a broadcast and was so blown away by how professional we were in handling the situation he made mention of it over the radio show a few times while we played (we didn't realise it but they were broadcasting the performance to 2 radio stations). After that gig, we got bonafide venues cold calling us to book gigs for a few weeks afterwards, and we scored work for months as a result.

I tend to believe there is some benefit to these things, but take each one on its own merit as some I've been invovled in have not been worth the effort invested. The above example is an exception to the rule but still I think if you want it to happen and have the support of your band mates you can achieve a lot in a little amount of time.
 
I have made it clear to the BL that I am not playing the show What do you guys think?
Exactly what I would do. I'll play a charity show IF I get paid and the charity is a registered 501(c)3 organization ... which allows me to take the tax deduction when I make a contribution. OR if I have personal affinity to the cause, to which I would have contributed monetarily anyway.
 
Yep. Benefit Season is upon us. Funny how there aren't many of these in the dead of Winter :p

No outside food or drink on the grounds

Band members have to buy their own food

This is the deal breaker, right here, no matter how righteous the cause seems. It is proof positive that by far the biggest beneficiary of the "benefit" will be the venue, and that the poster child of the moment is just a convenient means to that end

No. (expletive deleted). Way.

I just played one benefit about two weeks ago, and that turned out to be pretty unorganized
Good Intentions alone just ain't enough :hmm:

Ended up using my bass rig for backline after I get there: promptly informed upon arrival that the planned backline rig blew up the night before. Since I've learned the hard way to always bring my own gear to gigs like this, no matter what the promoters say, I learned this particular bit of info while leaning on my hand truck full of cabs and rack. Heard the Word, nodded, and kept right on rollin'. First order of business was a strip of tape across the power amp gain knobs, then hook up the DI to the house. Onstage sounded good with both Aggie cabs getting a nice workout and reliable ears in the audience (including mine, when I wasn't actually playing) said FOH was fine too :D

Scheduled start time was postponed an hour due to "low attendance" and the show eventually went on, with the usual odd mix of genres and styles that is so typical of this kind of show. I happen to like that, but then again I'm a musician.

I play about 5-6 of these a year and some have been much better run....

Somebody brought up 501(c)(3) tax status. IMHO that's a Very quick way to sort out the wheat from the chaff when it comes to charity events.....

A major issue that's still hotly debated in all of them is "how many acts?". In my experience, the "10 bands at 20 minutes apiece" thing is virtually impossible to keep on schedule. The next one up in the local area - Invalid Link Removed - is taking a different tack: only five bands (with considerable overlap in members) playing longer sets

Considering the individual players involved in the big Musical Chairs game onstage, it looks like a good time will be had by all in any case. 'Got most of the local A List up there, and they've been doing this a loooooong time :cool:
 
No right or wrong answer to this question.

When I was fulltime we did a lot of freebie work for causes we believed in. It never got in the way of paying work for us.

Now I'm part time precisely because I can do what I want without worrying about the money. Doesn't mean I work for free, but I decide what I want to do and then decide what rate of return is fair. So for me, being paid wouldn't come into it.

If I am doing a benefit it's because I think it's worth doing, so I don't mind buying my food and drink so more money goes to the cause. Or I bring my own.

All of this is just karma. But it's also easy for me because I have a good day job and no money worries. I know not everyone is in that position.

So if I wanted to do the benefit as described by Blue, my only negotiation would be the right to bring my own food and drink.

As regards ten minute changeovers, with competent crew no problems. Band A's gear is taken off stage left by crew (the band get no chance to waste time) and band B's gear is brought on stage right. Gear is set up and packed up off stage, the ten minutes is to get things set up and do a line check. It's probably 5 years since I've done a gig of that sort, but I can't see that anything would have changed in that time.

Not saying it's always like that...sometimes benefits have been time wasters and I've regretted saying yes. But that's pretty rare. I was probably lucky.
 
My lead guitarist is actually an organizer for a large local charity music event that is held annually. Big names and national acts participate.

Yes, it is charity, they do get a significant cut in their fees, but they are still being paid in 5 digits and more. (almost) No-one plays for free in the big leagues.

And there is none of this musical chairs happening on stage. Everyone gets a set.
 
Im all for legit benefit shows and playing for free at them. I guess Im impartial due to having a recent tragedy and having others help to pull through the crap time with benefits. In my case hospital bills etc add up very quickly and if others had not helped I would be S.O.L
I believe in karma so I would do the same for someone that needed it too. If its a day without free beer, free meals and respect from a poor venue organizer so be it. The person/people benefiting I'm sure are more than grateful and to me thats worth much more than the pay,freebies etc. ...just my 2 cents
PS-do i think this benefit was presented well with the time demands per se-HELL NO
 
I have played many benefits over the years. I only play if it is an organization that I believe in and if the "after expense" profits actually go to the organization.
Also, I always insist on being paid expenses (travel, food, lodging), and be provided with labor support (roadies).
 
Here is something to ponder. About a decade and a half ago Dionne Warwick played an aids benefit in the carribean. She donated her performance. There was a huge uproar afterword because the benefit didn't net more then a couple of hundred dollars.

Why? Warwick donated her performance but all her expenses were paid for, including the jet to the island, the 5 star hotel, all her meals, transportation and also for some of her assistants. When questioned about it she said, "I did donate my normal performance fee for free and I did help bring awareness to the cause of aids."

Now, I'm no Dionne Warwick, but I have to agree with her in some way. She probably could have stayed at a more cost effective location and maybe not gone superstar the whole way, but she didn't just do it for free.

Now, I would like to add perspective here. I don't think anyone here in general doesn't agree with doing benefits and the personal benefit it brings. However, there are definitely certain things you have to consider.

Most of the discussion here is either about charities and benefits the band personally knows (local girl who is sick, friends charity, something close to the heart) and the other kind, like blue and the boys are being asked to play (large, faceless charity who puts together big festival or show and contacts random bands with followings to draw and make money.)

Last year I either played, helped organize or worked the door at 8 benefits! All local guys in the Asbury scene who I personally know or someone who was a personal fan or friend and needed some help. I sought them out, and those that reached out to me knew I was close to the person or cause.

I just counted, I turned down 27 benefit requests. (Yes, I keep track of all the gig requests, and good bands should too.) One, while reading my notes, came from a guy who saw that I had participated in three other benefits of a similar nature. He figured I was someone who will do a benefit for a similar cause for free. So, the fact that you become known as the "free band" is in fact true. Of the 27 I turned down, 15 were for no pay no expenses. 10 were no pay, food and drink provided, and two were food,drink, gas paid.

As for Blue, there are 10 bands. A $10 gate. That tells me that absolutely this show is all about the music and using it to raise all the funds. That is definitely 8 hours of music. Most benefits I go to that are for things like breast cancer have about four hours of music and a host of other activities. Harpin' Help is the local one that is all musicians and is for the local food bank. Its 7 hours of music and a $20 door. At the end of the night there is only about $10 of the door left. Why? Because the expenses of all the bands are covered and a backline is provided. The sound guy donates his time, but the equipment he owns is rented from him.

I don't think its wrong to expect your expenses to be covered. You are donating your time, talent and your actual profit or performance. Think about it. If your band typically makes $500 per gig, your expenses (food and gas and drinks) for a whole band might come to $200. You are donating your time and $300 bucks as well as donating YOUR audience and following, which at say 40-50 people at $10 per the gate here is and additional $400-$500 for the venue. So, your normal fee plus your draw = $1000. Your contribution, minus expenses = $800. Not too bad for any charity, especially for an hour of your performance time.

You HAVE to think about it this way, and its okay, fair and not duecey to do this. In Blue's case they have to travel 2 hours, get a nano second to set up, play only the difference between set up and 45 minutes, then tear down and have to pay for a freakin' water, and we all know that you need at least that when you get on and off stage. If you bring your own water fine, but in a sense you have just donated that as well, as its your expense.

I don't find it selfish or heartless to ask for and expect your expenses at some level to be provided. If the organization cannot make money unless you donate every last ounce of you and your performance, then they honestly don't deserve your performance. A well run benefit or charity absolutely will cover your expenses and know they have gotten more then the benefit they otherwise would have without your appearance.

My two cents. And I know I'm absolutely right. 30 years of doing this stuff tells me so. :):bassist::bassist::bassist::bassist:
 
Yep. Benefit Season is upon us. Funny how there aren't many of these in the dead of Winter :p



This is the deal breaker, right here, no matter how righteous the cause seems. It is proof positive that by far the biggest beneficiary of the "benefit" will be the venue, and that the poster child of the moment is just a convenient means to that end

No. (expletive deleted). Way.

I just played one benefit about two weeks ago, and that turned out to be pretty unorganized
Good Intentions alone just ain't enough :hmm:

Ended up using my bass rig for backline after I get there: promptly informed upon arrival that the planned backline rig blew up the night before. Since I've learned the hard way to always bring my own gear to gigs like this, no matter what the promoters say, I learned this particular bit of info while leaning on my hand truck full of cabs and rack. Heard the Word, nodded, and kept right on rollin'. First order of business was a strip of tape across the power amp gain knobs, then hook up the DI to the house. Onstage sounded good with both Aggie cabs getting a nice workout and reliable ears in the audience (including mine, when I wasn't actually playing) said FOH was fine too :D

Scheduled start time was postponed an hour due to "low attendance" and the show eventually went on, with the usual odd mix of genres and styles that is so typical of this kind of show. I happen to like that, but then again I'm a musician.

I play about 5-6 of these a year and some have been much better run....

Somebody brought up 501(c)(3) tax status. IMHO that's a Very quick way to sort out the wheat from the chaff when it comes to charity events.....

A major issue that's still hotly debated in all of them is "how many acts?". In my experience, the "10 bands at 20 minutes apiece" thing is virtually impossible to keep on schedule. The next one up in the local area - Invalid Link Removed - is taking a different tack: only five bands (with considerable overlap in members) playing longer sets

Considering the individual players involved in the big Musical Chairs game onstage, it looks like a good time will be had by all in any case. 'Got most of the local A List up there, and they've been doing this a loooooong time :cool:

Nice benefit. I'll try and make it down. I forgot about all you guys on the left coast of the state....
 
usually at any benefit show I have played we at least were offered food and drink, but even more so we were never told you can't bring your own food and must purchase ours. Also, 10 mins for each band to set up tells me that the organizers of this show have next to no idea what they are doing. I ran a festival/benefit show similar to this one (not by choice) and it ended up being a total cluster F*@#. My advice stick to your guns and don't play this show. I'm Guessing your band won't be able to play with out you and I'm sure some of the other members will appreciate it.
 

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