Not another "which class D should I buy" thread

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ReeV0, Oct 12, 2022.

  1. Bergantino B|Amp

    11 vote(s)
  2. Bergantino Forté D

    24 vote(s)
  3. Genzler Magellan 800

    32 vote(s)
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. ReeV0


    Apr 5, 2013
    Oh yes, it's that time again.

    I am in the market for a new class D amp! :bassist:

    My current setup is a TC RH750 into a Bergantino AE212. It's good, but not great. It's plenty loud but I have never been satisfied with the tone. I find the RH750 overly-complicated, with each EQ being semi-parametric. Good for some, but not me it seems.

    I also find the AE212 to be a little boomy - compared to the TC RS212 that I also have, I don't actually find much in it. They are both fairly equal to my ears. A little disappointing given the money I spent on the Berg.

    Anyway, after lots (and lots and lots) of research, I think I've narrowed down my options to the following:

    - Bergantino B|Amp
    - Bergantino Forté D
    - Genzler Magellan 800

    The B|Amp slightly concerns me as it looks similar to the RH750 - pretty complicated. You can change all the EQ frequencies, load up effects etc... stuff I wouldn't want to be using. I have a HX Stomp to cater to that.

    The Forté D looks interesting, basically a simplified version of the B|Amp.

    The Magellan is the amp I am leaning to the most, due to it's simplicity and useablility. I've read great things about the overdrive and contour control. However, I owned a GB Shuttle 9.0 in the past and found it lacked punch and volume. Though, the Magellan is said to be designed from the ground-up...

    After watching this video, I have never heard a bass sound so good. But I don't know if that's in part due to the cabs or just Nate's superior playing... lots of factors involved.

    I do like the fact you can input cab profiles into the Bergantino amps, so I could tell it that I am using an AE212. But I don't know how much difference this would make in reality. I also really like the look of the Genzler Bass Array cabs, so would probably move to those at some point in the future when I could afford them.

    Any suggestions welcome! :)
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  2. ShadowGroover


    Aug 16, 2020
    Buy or play all 3 and decide for yourself
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  3. ReeV0


    Apr 5, 2013
    Unfortunately I live the in the UK and none of these amps are readily available to test. I am having to look in the used market only.
  4. ShadowGroover


    Aug 16, 2020
    All 3 of your candidates are excellent, and will work great with your Berg cabinet. There's no wrong answer.
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  5. chris_b


    Jun 2, 2007
    I used my RH750 through a Berg CN212 and thought the same. It was loud but the sound seemed overly compressed, and changing the EQ on the fly was, as you say, overly complicated. It was replaced by an Aguilar TH500 and then an AG700. I heard those comments about the AE212 tone, which is why I went for the CN212. Great cab.

    I recently owned the Berg Forte HP, and it was the best amp I've played through. There were too many facilities that I wasn't going to use, so I decided to stick with the, much simpler to operate, AG700.
  6. ReeV0


    Apr 5, 2013
    I was actually looking for a CN212, but could only find an AE212 unfortunately.

    Thanks for the helpful replies :)
  7. shoot-r


    May 26, 2007
    I'd also throw Mesa's Subway series of amp heads that come with the adjustable HPF into your considerations.

    (As I mentioned in one of your other threads), I've a Berg CN212 powered by a Mesa 800+ ( it has the adjustable HPF to control those times when a cabinet/room is sounding boomy.)
    I also always run a old SansAmp V1 BDDI in front of the 800+.

    As to the Berg cab seeming to not be much better than any other manufacturers cab.
    This is just to my ears, while playing at home, quietly by myself, I'd have to agree with you, my CN cab is just o.k., (I'm guessing that's how your hearing your AE.)
    Actually I find the CN high-end'ish and low-end shy, especially on a open E.
    But, put that Berg cab "on stage in a live band", it transforms into the best sounding cab I've ever owned.

    It cuts through the on stage clutter.
    Everything is there, highs, mids, lows.
    The sound is balanced, notes are even across the fretboard, with a clarity that'll hopefully make me a better player.

    Someone here on TB told me that it'll take alittle time for my ears to adjust to that clean clarity.
    They were right.

    Give the AE some time.
    Maybe, once your ears have adjusted to it you may decide the AE was the cab for you.
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  8. msb


    Jul 3, 2002
    Halifax,N,S. Canada
    Forte user here, simple straightforward , with serious slam.
    I love that amp.
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  9. MVE


    Aug 8, 2010
    If you are looking for un-complicated, you might want to also consider the Demeter VTBP-M-800D.
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  10. JeezyMcNuggles

    JeezyMcNuggles Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2018
    Santa Maria, CA
    I suck, but nobody really notices
    Welcome to the GAS Station. Your glass is now forever half empty.

    Personally, that video sounds very sterile. To me, the words that come to mind are "lifeless" "stale" or "meh"

    I would never be happy with that set up.

    But, that's why there are so many options available. Because everybody likes something different. If bass was "supposed" to sound one way, there'd be one bass, one rig, and one set of strings.

    Have you tried putting those 2 cabs together yet? I bet you're blown away by it.

    You should really just set that TC amp up once, and never touch the frequency settings again. It was really made to be more of a personal standard amplifier, with extra "save space on your pedal board" features. A single amp, that could work for every bass player.

    Set up the knobs with the bass frequency you like to boost or cut (usually around 50hz. Adds girth, cuts boom). The low mid (usually around 400hz. 250 for more bass, 500 for more definition), high mid (800 for honk, 1.5khz for twang). And treble (2.5khz for a pick sort of bite, 4 - 8 for zing). Spend the time to set it up how you like it. Then, you can simply use the knobs as standard amp knobs. It'll turn it into a nice and simple set up, but with all the extra features.

    Your amp has a low pass filter, to shelf off the high highs "tweetertone" which works very well as an ultra high cut. The spectracomp is amazing. And the tube tone is also top knotch.

    My suggestion, based also off your previous posts out what speaker cab you should get for more volume, is the same that I left you in that thread. Get another RS212.

    If you want a different amplifier, go with anything you like. You'll either dig it, or be out the money, and start the revolving the rest of us.

    Welcome to TalkBass. Your GAS tank is never full.
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  11. bucephylus

    bucephylus Supporting Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    Central Ohio
    I’ve been using the Demeter Bass400 with an AE212 for gigs; and my Mesa TT800 is sitting on an AE212 in my practice space. Both are magnificent.

    The Bass400 has a Broughton Always On HPF screwed to the back of the dove cage, and cabled into the Effects Loop. The TT800 runs in Boogie Channel, and has an outstanding HPF circuit built in. Both are key to the AE212.

    The Mesa has an extensive array of tone shaping. The Demeter is very limited, but what it does is nearly perfect; kind of the Idiots Guide to great Bass Tone.

    BTW, if you go to my YT channel below, select Videos, and scroll down to the bottom, there are two live vids from some years back where I was using a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 into an AE212; no send to the PA. So what you hear is all AE212. Price Tag and Preacher Man.
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  12. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    Genz Benz Streamli -oh you said new
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  13. If you like simple, take a Quilter Bass Block for a spin. It sounds great, it's stupid loud and it's super easy to dial in. I'm a big fan of the original 800 (with the 2 knob EQ), but heard great things about the 802 as well (with a more conventional EQ section). It was a game changer for me.
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  14. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Given those three choices I would probably go with the Forte. I have the smaller Genzler 350 and it does the job, but I’m not sure the voicing is my favorite. That’s where it gets into splitting hairs and personal preference.
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  15. Kaa


    Sep 28, 2004
    Cleveland, Ohio
    How much of the HX Stomp do you use as tone shaping? Can it be your main preamp to go into the power section of your current amp head? May negate the need for a new amp.

    I'm a "the fewer knobs the better for me" kind of guy, so I'd concur with Frank77 about the Quilter.
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  16. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Mesa TT
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  17. groove pump

    groove pump

    Oct 24, 2006
    Agree that there really appears to be no wrong answer among those options up top. But I also think that it can be hard to track down a head that's just right in every aspect all by itself.

    One more thought that may make any choice even easier to live with down the road - based on my recent experience...

    I've recently switched into heads that are smaller and lighter - very much enjoying both a GK MB 500 and a Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 as more of a backup. The GK routinely surprises me in terms of how eager it is to push sound into a room using a pair of vertically stacked 2x10's and no PA support. It offers the healthiest 500 watts I've ever experienced.

    A music pal came to hear the band where I played one set through my Shuttle and the next using my GK. Although the Shuttle doesn't share quite the same general loudness as the GK, he was WOW'ed by my tone when playing through my Shuttle. Thinking that an addition of warmer tubey-ness could be a good thing when using my GK, I dug out my old Ampeg preamp - their Billy Sheehan SVP-BSP rack unit, which has a GREAT sounding clean channel. As soon as I used that in front of my GK, everybody at that gig got perma-grin and now I have my new gig rig sorted out.

    So I'll bet that you could hit sonic pay-dirt by combining a lot of possible combinations. Maybe you'll land on one head or another that drops you smack dab in the middle of tone heaven, but that can sometimes be tough to track down in a single unit. Either using a preamp with your current head or knowing that you could try one along with either of the Berg's or Magellan you're shopping could be an easy path to finding terrific sound without getting too complicated.
  18. I agree test run each of them and see what you like, What sounds like what you want using someone else's hands to get there isn't a good gauge of what tone you get from your own hands imo
  19. hennessybass

    hennessybass Supporting Member

    Oct 11, 2008
    Bayou City
    Man... I had a AE212 for a very brief time, and a Streamliner for a very brief time at the same time. This was when I was changing amps and cabs like crazy.
    Used that combo (AE212 and Streamliner) on a big outdoor rock-n-roll thing, and it just sounded awesome. Now, like 12 years later, I'm back to using a Streamliner and a couple different berg cabs.

    As to the OP... The Magellan is a funny sounding amp to me. I tried one when they came out, and ended up going with a Quilter BB800 (based on trying them both in the store). About 2 years ago, I got a Magellan (because there was one for crazy cheep on CL). I played it and played it, but just did not like it. There is a baked in something that you can not dial out. So for me, that is a no go. But of course, lots of folks like that amp.

    If you are worried about complicated, the B-amp might not be the way to go... HOWEVER, you might also be able to load an AE212 profile in the amp and get your rig to a flat response (is that how the B-amp works?).

    Given the choices, I vote Forte D. I played one in a shop in Chicago and liked the voicing very much.
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