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OFFICIAL ASHDOWN CLUB

Ten years ago, it wouldn't have been a Studio Mini Stack, as that is their current model. Back then it would have likely been the 100 watt AAA/ABM/Five Fifteen Mini Stack:
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Or possibly the later Perfect Ten 60 (watt) Mini Stack:
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Here it was this one (below), did not have the slanted cab or head. I recall it being called a Studio Mini Stack, but I could easily be wrong. I believe it was a baby blue head, but cannot recall exactly. It was also in the mid-late 2000s, '05-'09 if I remember right. Years before I ran into the 16th anniversary ABM III I bought there on the spot in late '13. It was my first experience with Ashdown, I didn't even know what they were. It sounded so good, capable of super deep, bright, or heavy mids. All over the place without any difficulty. I was broke when I saw that first one, otherwise I would have bought it. Honestly, I'd like to find that rig one day.

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I have a ABM and RM. The differences I see are the EQ, 9 band vs 5 band and the Drive. The tube drive on the ABM adds fastness and warmth with the grit, while the RM is mainly grit. Using the compression knob on the RM with the drive gets it close to the ABM for me, YMMV though.

Are the low mid and high knobs mostly the same between the two?

I remember reading early on after I got my ABM and learning how to use it, that you could just leave the sliders alone and treat the eq knobs as a traditional 3 band eq as on most amps. Then the sliders can be used for further sculpting.
 
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Are the low mid and high knobs mostly the same between the two?

I remember reading early on after I got my ABM and learning how to use it, that you could just leave the sliders alone and treat the eq knobs as a traditional 3 band eq as on most amps. Then the sliders can be used for further sculpting.
You're correct, I think it was Mark in an interview who really didn't care to have the 9 band and doesn't feel they need it but did it because people kept requesting it.
 
For a bit of a review of the CTM-15 (in random thought form)...

- Ashdown needs some demo videos that do not focus entirely on the overdriven tones. This amp has a really solid clean when you keep the gain down. I think I found one video from the original CTM-15 that showed clean for a few seconds. Some of the written Ashdown marketing material advertises the clean sound; it is definitely there.

- The Gain knob is this head's trick. Dial in the amount of grit you want. For me it is going to stay mostly clean with the occasional bump to get that slight bit of breakup (think Motown).

- I spent an hour or so with the CTM-15 going through 2 Phil Jones Bass Compact 8 cabinets. 15 Watts puts out a solid amount of volume with these cabinets. I expect the same can be said for any decent cabinets (there are plenty out there that are more efficient than the PJB C8s).

- I did not spend a ton of time on it, but the EQ section does not seem to have as much range as the other amplifiers I have used over the years. I assume this is just the way it is designed (they note passive EQ section in all of the descriptions). Tones I could get sounded great, just not as much range there as I am used to. I suppose it could be the way this amp forces you to focus on the balance of Gain/Volume knobs throwing off my perception of the EQ's ability.

- Amp did not come with a bag like the old one did. I assumed it would not, but saw several for sale ads mentioning one since they were using the original CTM-15 description (the same ones that said it had a bag also said it could not be used without a load, which is not true for the new one).

- I have not tried recording direct with it yet, but that is how I intend to use it. It will be sitting on my desk hooked to a MOTU M6 recording interface with a Phil Jones Bass Compact 2 under it for when I want to practice at my desk. It is a really good shape/size for this type of setup.

Given the price, output, and presence of tubes, I expect there will be a decent amount of Ashdown CTM-15 or Ampeg PF-20T questions that pop up. I have not tried the PF-20T, but I do have the PF-50T. Recognizing the PF-20T and PF-50T are not exactly equals, but I am going to pretend they are close (since they are). I think the Ashdown/Ampeg are directed at different audiences. If you are after classic Motown thump with a little bit of breakup, you want the Ampeg. If you want more overdrive than that, the CTM-15 is probably for you. Noting that the CTM-15 can do clean, it just occupies a larger portion of the breakup space while the Ampeg allows for more adjustability in the "clean to a little bit of breakup" space. I should add the form factor of the CTM-15 is more desktop friendly for anyone who primarily intends to use it for recording.

Ultimately both are great heads, just depends on what you are after. I am happy to have the CTM-15 to go with my PF-50T.
 
I haven’t had a chance to play through a cab, but I did hook the ctm15 to a mixer and headphone amp. The DI is hot. Maybe pro line level. In any case I have to use an attenuator or it completely slams my (albeit cheap) mixer, even when mixer is set to line.

very typical to the other ashdown tube DI outs.
The ctm has all the character of the 30W and can run without a load. I intend on using it as a preamp and then into desk or another amp.
Should be fun.
 
looks there was a price drop to $650 for the CTM15's on sweetwater. tempting for sure!

They have been discounted at Sweetwater since at least mid November. That is when I preordered mine. Maybe Sweetwater has some kind of deal with Ashdown since no other retailer is offering the discount and it was originally announced at Sweetwater GearFest.
 
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They have been discounted at Sweetwater since at least mid November. That is when I preordered mine. Maybe Sweetwater has some kind of deal with Ashdown since no other retailer is offering the discount and it was originally announced at Sweetwater GearFest.
A lot of retailers have been dropping prices lately since cost of supplies has slightly lowered too.
 
I noticed Sweetwater's sale on the Rootmaster 610T the other day and have been eyeballing it pretty hard. Clips and reviews are kind of sparse and I'm really on the fence about getting one.

Can anyone shed a little light on the quality and sound? Would this be a good buy or a hard pass regardless of the price?
 
I noticed Sweetwater's sale on the Rootmaster 610T the other day and have been eyeballing it pretty hard. Clips and reviews are kind of sparse and I'm really on the fence about getting one.

Can anyone shed a little light on the quality and sound? Would this be a good buy or a hard pass regardless of the price?
I have a 410/210 stack and i can ok only compare it to a pair of 212 Darkglass cabs. With multiple heads doing A/Bs the Ashdown has a more hard hitting low end and they both sounded near identical everywhere else.
If I were traveling a lot and had to haul stuff the DG212 would probably be better. At ~80lbs for the pair. Vs the 410/210 around 130lbs combined.
 
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