Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club

[anton72]

I'm happy to say I've had ZERO cabinet g.a.s. since getting my BB2 + SM. In the meantime, must admit to buying 4 amps and about 8 pedals :-/

Same thing. Since I've got my One10 and now SM, my cab GAS stopped...but now I keep looking at amps to play with these cabs. And as soon as you get "transparent" cab like SM you start to wonder how this or that amp will sound with it...damn this gear obsession LOL

 

[Tim1]

2.67 ohms would work for me since if I ever used them all together as a "Six 10" it would be with one of my tube heads, probably the Orange which should be fine if I use the 4 ohm output. The Markbass SA450 I plan on using with the One 10s I think only does 8 or 4 ohms - will have to check. I do see a new lightweight head in the future, probably GK MB800 or Mesa D800 since that is what is easily available down here in Kiwiland. Any quick feedbacadvice on the GK vs Mesa from anyone who has tried them with a one 10 or two 10?

 

[Plutonium244]

I figure that if I connect the two One 10s together in series then parallel connect to the Four 10 I should have a four ohm Six 10???? I would welcome any informed comment on this.

First, I forgot to say congrats on the new new babies. They are so cute! And they weigh about the same as a 6 month old baby.

So, I am interested in your hypothetical hook-up but admit to being a little slow about speaker loads (and many other things in life). Hooked up with (2) One10's daisy chained together on one amp output side, and then the Four10 on the other side, it looks like it should be four ohms to each.

However, isn't half the amp power going into two 10's (One10+One10), and half of the amp power going into four 10's (Four10)? And assuming so, will that work optimally? While the power between cabs is balanced, the power per 10" driver will be double in one cab versus the other cab.

I'd assume that you'd want all six drivers to get the same power, ideally. This is, I think, true for using the Four10 cab with a 12 ohm Two10-- all six drivers get the same zazz. That's the design idea behind having a 12 ohm Two10 model. Unless I have this screwed up somehow.

 

[Plutonium244]

Same thing. Since I've got my One10 and now SM, my cab GAS stopped...but now I keep looking at amps to play with these cabs. And as soon as you get "transparent" cab like SM you start to wonder how this or that amp will sound with it...damn this gear obsession LOL

So, I need investors for my new million dollar idea. Gamefly for music gear. You put up a security deposit that equals the highest dollar value amp/cab/gizmo that you can get in your membership plan, then a monthly subscription fee, $25 or something. Customer agrees to pay shipping. Then, you can demo equipment-- play that amp for a week, then send it back and get a different one, ad infinitum. Demo until you find "the one".

 

[ahc]

So, I need investors for my new million dollar idea. Gamefly for music gear. You put up a security deposit that equals the highest dollar value amp/cab/gizmo that you can get in your membership plan, then a monthly subscription fee, $25 or something. Customer agrees to pay shipping. Then, you can demo equipment-- play that amp for a week, then send it back and get a different one, ad infinitum. Demo until you find "the one".

"AMPfly"

 

[Tim1]

First, I forgot to say congrats on the new new babies. They are so cute! And they weigh about the same as a 6 month old baby.

So, I am interested in your hypothetical hook-up but admit to being a little slow about speaker loads (and many other things in life). Hooked up with (2) One10's daisy chained together on one amp output side, and then the Four10 on the other side, it looks like it should be four ohms to each.

However, isn't half the amp power going into two 10's (One10+One10), and half of the amp power going into four 10's (Four10)? And assuming so, will that work optimally? While the power between cabs is balanced, the power per 10" driver will be double in one cab versus the other cab.

I'd assume that you'd want all six drivers to get the same power, ideally. This is, I think, true for using the Four10 cab with a 12 ohm Two10-- all six drivers get the same zazz. That's the design idea behind having a 12 ohm Two10 model. Unless I have this screwed up somehow.

I would connect the two one 10s together in series which which will make a combined load of 12 ohms, same as the Two 10 (although the website gives the one 10 an 8 ohm rating I believe it has been stated elsewhere in this thread that all the 10 drivers are actually six ohms). This should ensure that all six speakers share the power evenly between them. Or if you want to go with the nominal loads stated on the cabinets, the two one 10s would be 16 ohms and the four 10 8 ohms which still means that the power is evenly divided across all six speakers.

 

[Plutonium244]

I would connect the two one 10s together in series which which will make a combined load of 12 ohms, same as the Two 10 (although the website gives the one 10 an 8 ohm rating I believe it has been stated elsewhere in this thread that all the 10 drivers are actually six ohms). This should ensure that all six speakers share the power evenly between them. Or if you want to go with the nominal loads stated on the cabinets, the two one 10s would be 16 ohms and the four 10 8 ohms which still means that the power is evenly divided across all six speakers.

I am one One10 from being able to do that... if it's all uniformly distributed, I'd rather have a second One10 than get a 12 Ohm Two10... since I could also have a 4 ohm 2x10 set up as another variation... Then I could do 1,2,4, or 6 tens. Thanks for giving me the idea... now, about paying for it... I have a little work to do there.

 

[Tim1]

Well I couldn't wait for the jam so just popped out and fired up the one 10s, very briefly so all this is just initial impressions.
1) Yes, a single one 10 can go stupid loud without signs of stress.
2) I prefer the tone with the port pointed downwards.
3) Two one 10s are bigger than the sum of the parts.
4) I did not particularly like the Markbass SA 450 with them - physically it is too wide for the cab and the tone was a little too sterile for me, but I am a tube freak.
5) SOOOOO.......tried the Ampeg V4B into one then two cabs and absolute magic, couldn't believe how good it was - although I should have remembered that Alex designed the cabs to emulate a sealed cab matched to a tube head. It does seem a bit silly to take a lightweight one 10 with a 40 pound V4B though, so I am thinking a Mesa Subway 800 might be on the cards if I cannot eq something more to my liking from the Markbass.
All the above very much first impressions after a quick 15 minute test run, so obviously very cursory and no doubt things will change with familiarity. I am aware the cabs take eq easily so will have to play around more with the Markbass, but the V4B was just plug and play set flat with one or two cabs - stunned me just good it sounded with only one cab and how easily it filled out the room without sounding in the least bit strained.
Edit: Suddenly the thought of an Ampeg PF50T enters my mind......

 

[Dp1363]

Well I couldn't wait for the jam so just popped out and fired up the one 10s, very briefly so all this is just initial impressions.
1) Yes, a single one 10 can go stupid loud without signs of stress.
2) I prefer the tone with the port pointed downwards.
3) Two one 10s are bigger than the sum of the parts.
4) I did not particularly like the Markbass SA 450 with them - physically it is too wide for the cab and the tone was a little too sterile for me, but I am a tube freak.
5) SOOOOO.......tried the Ampeg V4B into one then two cabs and absolute magic, couldn't believe how good it was - although I should have remembered that Alex designed the cabs to emulate a sealed cab matched to a tube head. It does seem a bit silly to take a lightweight one 10 with a 40 pound V4B though, so I am thinking a Mesa Subway 800 might be on the cards if I cannot eq something more to my liking from the Markbass.
All the above very much first impressions after a quick 15 minute test run, so obviously very cursory and no doubt things will change with familiarity. I am aware the cabs take eq easily so will have to play around more with the Markbass, but the V4B was just plug and play set flat with one or two cabs - stunned me just good it sounded with only one cab and how easily it filled out the room without sounding in the least bit strained.
Edit: Suddenly the thought of an Ampeg PF50T enters my mind......

I use the V4B with my BB2's. Best bass tone I have found so far. If you are looking to go lighter the PF50T sounds a lot like the V4B at a lighter weight but less power.

 

[Jools4001]

Generation one garage built Big One owner from 2008 here. Never wanted another cab, Alex is a legend.

Me too

 

[Plutonium244]

Well I couldn't wait for the jam so just popped out and fired up the one 10s, very briefly so all this is just initial impressions.
1) Yes, a single one 10 can go stupid loud without signs of stress.
2) I prefer the tone with the port pointed downwards.
3) Two one 10s are bigger than the sum of the parts.
4) I did not particularly like the Markbass SA 450 with them - physically it is too wide for the cab and the tone was a little too sterile for me, but I am a tube freak.
5) SOOOOO.......tried the Ampeg V4B into one then two cabs and absolute magic, couldn't believe how good it was - although I should have remembered that Alex designed the cabs to emulate a sealed cab matched to a tube head. It does seem a bit silly to take a lightweight one 10 with a 40 pound V4B though, so I am thinking a Mesa Subway 800 might be on the cards if I cannot eq something more to my liking from the Markbass.
All the above very much first impressions after a quick 15 minute test run, so obviously very cursory and no doubt things will change with familiarity. I am aware the cabs take eq easily so will have to play around more with the Markbass, but the V4B was just plug and play set flat with one or two cabs - stunned me just good it sounded with only one cab and how easily it filled out the room without sounding in the least bit strained.
Edit: Suddenly the thought of an Ampeg PF50T enters my mind......

The Ampeg PF50T works very well with a On10, and is 20 pounds. The feet of the PF50T slide just exactly on the outside of the One10 cabinet so the feet kind of keep it snug, "grabbing" the cab. Very stable, I don't think there is any downside form the bottom of the PF50T being in contact with the top surface of the One10. I like the combo very much, and use it when I decide that I can expend a little more effort than using a stupid-small amp like the GK MB200 (which also works fantastically well with the One10).

 

[lomo]

On the subject of "fit"...the D800+ fits perfectly on the One 10 if it's on it's side, with the port facing laterally, and sounds great. The D800 (non-plus) also fits on the top of the cab when positioned vertically.

 

[jastraw]

I got my FedEx tracking number today for BB2. It's in the air. Got a never-been-plugged-in Quilter BB800 waiting to be married to it. I have a jam planned with a particularly heavy handed drummer tomorrow night. Let's the break in period begin! 24 hours and counting. Pics soon.

 

[Tim1]

On the subject of "fit"...the D800+ fits perfectly on the One 10 if it's on it's side, with the port facing laterally, and sounds great. The D800 (non-plus) also fits on the top of the cab when positioned vertically.

I am leaning towards the D800 non plus purely on the size/fit factor. Can you give me any feedback on this combination - bearing in mind that I am a tube geek so will not be looking for an overly sharp sound?

 

[lomo]

I am leaning towards the D800 non plus purely on the size/fit factor. Can you give me any feedback on this combination - bearing in mind that I am a tube geek so will not be looking for an overly sharp sound?

If you want it to fit in a gig bag pocket or on top of 2 vertically stacked One 10s, then the + is ruled out. IME, having the sweepable mids is worth the price of admission and larger size of the 800+. I don't use the deep or bright switches, but selecting the low mid freq I wanna bump allows me to thicken to taste, and having control over which upper mid band I cut allows me to erase any "gank". I was happy with the 800, and am even happier with the +. Unless you play both, there's no way to know (and certainly no way for me to know) which you'd prefer

 

[pbass6811]

Been toying with the idea of getting an actual "bass" amp, and interchanging it with my racks. My first thought was getting an Aguilar DB751. I've wanted one of those since I first heard about them. I have one tube preamp that I love, and I have my "studio" pre, which sounds killa' as well. I've got both of them mated to decent power amps, so they sound great, but I'd also like the option of just taking an amp if it's a short gig or whatever. The DB751 just seems like my idea of a "bass amp". I suppose if I'm gonna scale back on my cabs, maybe I should think about doing that with my amp as well...

You guys seem to be making a pretty good case for the Mesa D-800+. It is quite a bit less expensive than the Aguilar, and I've had pretty good luck with other class-D heads(GK MBF-800/Ampeg SVT-7 Pro), so I'm ok with them.

The schlep isn't really an issue. Cost is an issue, but I can work around that. So, what do you guys/gals think would be a better mate with a Big Twin II, DB751 or D-800+? I'm open to other ideas as well, but those are the frontrunners at this moment...

 

[kimmyt]

Well I have owned both the DB751 and the Big Twin II and currently own the D800 with 2 BB2's. I have owned the DB751 twice sold it and missed that awesome sound and power I bought another. I moved away from the Aggie because I wanted to downsize and went the Phil Jones route but missed the BF cabs. So I am back with the 2 BB2's and the Mesa D800 and also have the new Aguilar AG 700. I haven't played it live yet or even in rehearsal that happens this week. I didn't expect it to be anything like the DB751 and it isn't. Hands down if you can swing the $ and don't mind the heft get the DB751 it is my holy grail, I am pretty damn impressed with the D800 though and the compact size and weight makes it a joy. If you do end up with the DB751 and decide to put it in a head case I would stay away from the Aguilar ones, I had one and it adds a good deal of weight and it is made of particle board and the handle loosens easily. I had one custom made for a few bucks more from NYC cases great company, I actually bought a standard one they had and din't like the depth and they took it back and built me a custom one no extra charge I just had to ship it back. I know way too much information sorry.

 

[pbass6811]

Well I have owned both the DB751 and the Big Twin II and currently own the D800 with 2 BB2's. I have owned the DB751 twice sold it and missed that awesome sound and power I bought another. I moved away from the Aggie because I wanted to downsize and went the Phil Jones route but missed the BF cabs. So I am back with the 2 BB2's and the Mesa D800 and also have the new Aguilar AG 700. I haven't played it live yet or even in rehearsal that happens this week. I didn't expect it to be anything like the DB751 and it isn't. Hands down if you can swing the $ and don't mind the heft get the DB751 it is my holy grail, I am pretty damn impressed with the D800 though and the compact size and weight makes it a joy. If you do end up with the DB751 and decide to put it in a head case I would stay away from the Aguilar ones, I had one and it adds a good deal of weight and it is made of particle board and the handle loosens easily. I had one custom made for a few bucks more from NYC cases great company, I actually bought a standard one they had and din't like the depth and they took it back and built me a custom one no extra charge I just had to ship it back. I know way too much information sorry.

Thanks for the insight! I appreciate you sharing your experience. I don't mind the schlep and it's really a matter of how bad do I want to smoke my credit cards, LOL! This may be a case of buying the D800+ now, letting my card cool off, then grabbing the DB751 a bit later. I really need to stop.

 

[triode6L6a]

I got my FedEx tracking number today for BB2. It's in the air. Got a never-been-plugged-in Quilter BB800 waiting to be married to it. I have a jam planned with a particularly heavy handed drummer tomorrow night. Let's the break in period begin! 24 hours and counting. Pics soon.

I've been using the Quilter BB800 with a BB2 for several months, and it's a killer combo that will have your heavy handed drummer begging for mercy : )

 

[John D Harris]

Been toying with the idea of getting an actual "bass" amp, and interchanging it with my racks. My first thought was getting an Aguilar DB751. I've wanted one of those since I first heard about them. I have one tube preamp that I love, and I have my "studio" pre, which sounds killa' as well. I've got both of them mated to decent power amps, so they sound great, but I'd also like the option of just taking an amp if it's a short gig or whatever. The DB751 just seems like my idea of a "bass amp". I suppose if I'm gonna scale back on my cabs, maybe I should think about doing that with my amp as well...

You guys seem to be making a pretty good case for the Mesa D-800+. It is quite a bit less expensive than the Aguilar, and I've had pretty good luck with other class-D heads(GK MBF-800/Ampeg SVT-7 Pro), so I'm ok with them.

The schlep isn't really an issue. Cost is an issue, but I can work around that. So, what do you guys/gals think would be a better mate with a Big Twin II, DB751 or D-800+? I'm open to other ideas as well, but those are the frontrunners at this moment...

You might check out the Bergantino B|Amp, the Eich T-900, Handbox R400, Genzler MG800, & Quilter BB800.