I play grindy rock bass with fuzz and overdrive and am happy with a 12" no tweeter setup. YMMV.
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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
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I ran into the same thing and had to return the PF50T.
Tweeter really needed? No. And in general, pick playing (which you occasionally do) with a tweeter sounds clanky and harsh, so for that I'd rather not have one. Of course you can always dial the tweeter down so that those freq's go to the driver and not tweeter anyway. I am not an OD guy but I'd wager that OD might sound better through a Four10 than through a BT2 (Disclaimer: Don't have a BT2 but do have a BB2, the single 12" driver version).
What do you use now, and what do you like/not like about it?
If you want pristine reproduction throughout the audio spectrum, with lots of highs and high mids and extended flat lows, you want the BT2. You can really hear your fingers on the strings and the highs sing.
If you want punchy thick low mids for that vintagey kick, but with great lows, you want the four10.
They both sound great and have plenty of highs and lows. I have both and usually bring the four10 for rock gigs. If I were to do a smooth jazz gig with modern slap tones, it would be the BT2.
I run my Four10 with Spector basses and have used both a Mesa Prodigy and Mesa D800 for amps. I've had plenty of lows, mids, and highs even with a 5 string. The combo of D800 and Four10 gives notes even on the D and G strings a lot of weight.
Looking forward to using it tomorrow for the first time with my Black Sabbath tribute... it will be loud and proud. The cabinet performed great with my cover band on the one gig I've used it for so far. I don't gig as much as I'd like otherwise I'd have more to report back.
Looking forward to using it tomorrow for the first time with my Black Sabbath tribute... it will be loud and proud. The cabinet performed great with my cover band on the one gig I've used it for so far. I don't gig as much as I'd like otherwise I'd have more to report back.
I have 2 Two10 cabs, and used to own 2 BB2 ones... and I have the D800+...
Do I need a tweeter with the "retro" series cabs? Not at all.
I stayed away from them because I assumed they would be dark sounding with not much top end... the whole 'retro' and 'vintage' thing. But I'm glad I eventually did. Now, I don't go for ultra bright crystal clear bass sounds, but they do have plenty of air, and I think they're very versatile.
I like the bottom end of the Retro series more than the BB2. The BB2 can get a bit too 'big' for my liking, while the Two/Four10 still have plenty of bottom, but it sounds tighter and I find it easier to get a fat bass with definition with them. I just find it easier to get a pleasing bass tone with them than with the BB2.
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
Are you seriously trying to talk me into getting another Two10?
Nah. You should sell me your Two10 and get a Four10 instead!Are you seriously trying to talk me into getting another Two10?
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
Ooooooo, someone is selling one of those local to me. If I wasn't saving for more cabs I'd pick it up in a heartbeat.
Are you seriously trying to talk me into getting another Two10?
I don't think you're resisting...
I play through a couple different rigs.
Both are 2 cabinet rigs.
Aguilar db112's
GK neo212's
The Aggies are really nice sounding cabs. Heavy on the mids but cut through pretty well. I prefer the tone of them even over the Mesa Subway offerings that everyone is raving about. They just can't handle loud situations. They worked great in a country band I was in earlier this year. Thing is I play in a band lined up with Mesa and Engl. and the drummer is a hard hitter so the Aggies just don't have enough juice without farting out.
The gk's on the other hand have plenty of volume. I have a lot of headroom with them but the B string is unfocused. It sounds just Ok. But it even seems like the E string is stronger. The off axis is pathetic. There are a few sweet spots and I can move a foot from a sweet spot and the sound is thin.
I've been playing 12's for about 5 years. Before that it was all 410's and 810 megoliath. The 410's were from various makers. Schroeder, eden, ampeg, Hartke, SWR.
But from reading up on the various forums regarding barefaced, audiokinesis and greenboy it seems I'm narrowing it down to a greenboy f212, barefaced BT2 or the 410. Possibly even the 610 but I prefer the metal grill.
I wouldn't rule out AccuGroove. They are an excellent company and often are forgotten and overlooked. That being said Barefaced is fantastic. I used the AccuGroove for many years and recently started using Barefaced. Both are incredible!
Having a Barefaced cab is a little like dating a supermodel. I am sure there are other beautiful women out there, but I wouldn't give up the one I have in hopes of finding another just as hot. Her tweeter really heats me up.
Sorry about that last part. Family site, and all.
Sorry about that last part. Family site, and all.
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A pair of Two10 cabs, with the Mesa D800+... that combination is capable of inducing a severe grin that might require surgery in order to restore proper facial expression afterwards.
Three gigs this weekend... our trombone player, a very experienced guy who loves bass, turned around during the first soundcheck and asked me "do you have a new bass?". I said no, it's the same one... I just changed the scratchplate maybe since the last time he looked at it "no, no, the sound... it sounds incredible tonight". He loved the sound throughout the weekend, he would sometimes just get closer to the cabs (I was a bit more centrally positioned while my cabs were on stage left, sometimes angled a bit to serve the stage better) and there he was dancing with his trombone, smiling... then back to his mic, and back to that bass-cushioning area...
I had soundguys commenting on how great it sounded. One in particular was making notes on the speakers and the amplifier... he did not know Barefaced.
This is a picture of the first night right after I set up and tested it... still lots of cables around as they were setting all the microphones. On this gig I had a microphone set onto one of the cabs. I did not realise at the time it should have been pointed at the top speaker, not the bottom one... not ideal, but it still worked I guess. I'll pay more attention this time. I forget the sound people would probably not be aware there is a difference between the two speakers in the cab.
Three gigs this weekend... our trombone player, a very experienced guy who loves bass, turned around during the first soundcheck and asked me "do you have a new bass?". I said no, it's the same one... I just changed the scratchplate maybe since the last time he looked at it "no, no, the sound... it sounds incredible tonight". He loved the sound throughout the weekend, he would sometimes just get closer to the cabs (I was a bit more centrally positioned while my cabs were on stage left, sometimes angled a bit to serve the stage better) and there he was dancing with his trombone, smiling... then back to his mic, and back to that bass-cushioning area...
I had soundguys commenting on how great it sounded. One in particular was making notes on the speakers and the amplifier... he did not know Barefaced.
This is a picture of the first night right after I set up and tested it... still lots of cables around as they were setting all the microphones. On this gig I had a microphone set onto one of the cabs. I did not realise at the time it should have been pointed at the top speaker, not the bottom one... not ideal, but it still worked I guess. I'll pay more attention this time. I forget the sound people would probably not be aware there is a difference between the two speakers in the cab.
That would be the most comforting site, seeing all of that packaging insulation, knowing what's inside!
The guy that works at the rehearsal studio we go to once a week has always had a passing interest in my equipment. I used GK Neo112s before and that rehearsal space uses a lot of GK backline equipment, so that's probably why. I've been using my Super Twin at practice for two months now, and Friday he told me he was paying attention to my playing and telling me how clear it was.
I totally agree. For a 212 with no tweeter or horn it is a very accurate and responsive cab. It lacks high end shimmer or grit if that is your thing, but I'm more interested in solid 100hz-350hz lows. This cab has that in spades, but also has enough clarity to have definition at loud volumes.
I haven't played a big room with it yet, but so far I've been very happy.
I totally agree. For a 212 with no tweeter or horn it is a very accurate and responsive cab. It lacks high end shimmer or grit if that is your thing, but I'm more interested in solid 100hz-350hz lows. This cab has that in spades, but also has enough clarity to have definition at loud volumes.
I haven't played a big room with it yet, but so far I've been very happy.
