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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
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Thanks for your 3 star review.... haha
I'm not particularly thinking I need more power, in all honesty I need to spend more time with the cab in a band setting, but I've been getting some great tones with it for sure.
One thing for sure is the cabinet is definitely sensitive to EQ changes and when you add pedals and a compressor. Much more sensitive than the GK and Aguilar cabs I used to own.
Another question. For those of you that have the four10, have you played a Class D amp and a tube amp into the cab? What's your opinion on how the cabinet responds to the different types of amps?
I have played the following amps into my Four10:
Reiner Studio1200
Reiner VHF700
Fender Super Bassman 300
Kustom KXB500
It reacts to different amps as you would expect. It preserves a lot of the personality of the amp, but also imposes its own character. Not nearly as much as the Ampeg SVT212AV, but kind of in the same territory. I didn't get a feeling that it was radically different with the tube vs SS class D amps, but it did justice to all of them.
The most direct comparison I have are the two Reiner amps (although they have VERY differently voiced preamps). They both sound great, but of course since I never maxed out the volume on either, the maximum power of either never came into play. If it did, I expect that there would be a noticeable but not very significant difference in maximum volume.
In general, doubling amplifier power doesn't get you as much of a volume increase as you might expect/hope. As @Plutonium244 said, if you really need more clean volume, add a Two10 or another Four10, and that should make a more satisfying difference.
I've used class D and also a Fender Super Bassman 300 and a Ampeg PF-50T for all-tube amps. It's what you'd probably expect... the tube heads through the 10's really bring the sound to life, I think you get more of what people use tube heads for-- thickness and girth in upper notes, a little bit of crunch if you want it, etc. Great combination, if not for the fact that the SB300 is 65 pounds it would come out more. And, I've been playing smaller gigs quite often so the Two10 comes out most often. I also have really liked the PF-50T with my One10 and Two10. Tubes sound great through the Barefaced 10's series.
But that's not to say the Class D's are not as good through it. They are. Can't really get a bad sound out of the Four10 IMO. While the Barefaced 10's have their own coloration, it is indeed sensitive to any input changes you want to give it; it'll sound however you want it to, unlike some cabs that tend to have a sort of "fixed" sound. I do really like the Four10 with tube heads though; I'd almost go so far as to say that's the "ideal" scenario-- IF you like tube heads. @tombowlus reviewed the Two10 and said he thought it really came to life with tube heads, as something special, so I know I am not the only one. @Tim1 is another guy to check in with-- he's used the Four10 extensively with tube heads, and gives it a thumbs up. Also, @smeet. EDIT-- I see smeet has just chimed in. I've used the MBF800 through it quite a bit too, with tubes in just the pre-section. If you can, borrow a decent tube head and play around with it in conjunction with the Four10. It IS really nice.
As we've had multiple discussions in PMs regarding this cab... pretty much anything I throw at it sounds great. The V4B and Prodigy both sounded awesome. The Darkglass, Quilter, and both Mesa D800 and D800+ heads have sounded great through it. In my current situation with the Mesa D800+ and Barefaced 10 cabs... if I hit it with my Dunwich ODB into the front of the D800+ and close my eyes, I almost feel like I'm playing through my old V4B. It has that same sort of thickness, heft, and sparkle to the notes. I also play with some loud drummers and I've never had really had to turn any of the amps up to be heard.
I wish I kept the Prodigy a little longer and spent more time with it and Four10, but it was an impulse trade and my budget won't support buying another for a while. My tone preferences have changed some since I got rid of the Prodigy and it would probably be a much better fit for what I need now.
Hey there all. I am looking at purchasing a Barefaced cab sometime this year. I am trying to gauge what time would be a good time to buy one. The cab that interests me most is the Big Baby II which is a third generation cab by Barefaced. I have seen that Barefaced are about to release a guitar cab soon. Does anybody know if Barefaced are in a R&D phase or about to release a next generation Big Baby cab or other bass cabs?
You should have grabbed that Big Baby 2 that sold on TradeMe a week or so ago, Bronze. I do not think that Alex is planning anything new on the bass front for a while, I believe I read that he said he would be sticking with the current ten and twelve speakers for the foreseeable future. Love my Four 10 and two One 10s, but would still like to try one of the twelves at some stage.
I have two BB2's. Excellent cab with great range, good dispersion and power handling. Light weight and very well made. I highly recommend it.
Yeah, it sold very quickly - even before i got the chance to ask about if they would ship it to the South Is / Dunedin. Sort of reminded me about what it was like when i was in the process of buying my Wal - they don't pop up for sale often, but when they do they sell in a flash. I dont expect one to pop up for sale on TM again in the near future so buying new will probably be the only option. In the mean time while i am sorting that out, i am buying a G&L L2000 so there are plenty of (good) distractions at the moment 
TBH the whole shipping process is so easy with Barefaced that you are probably better off getting a new one and avoiding any possible issues that come with buying used, even though the cab did look mint. That said, I picked up my pair of One 10s used on TradeMe and they have performed flawlessly. I saw them on TradeMe within an hour of appearing and pushed BuyNow immediately, as there were already several watchers and hidden questions.If I eventually order a Two 10 to sit on the Four 10 then I will probably sell one of the One 10s and I expect it to move as quickly as that BB2.Yeah, it sold very quickly - even before i got the chance to ask about if they would ship it to the South Is / Dunedin. Sort of reminded me about what it was like when i was in the process of buying my Wal - they don't pop up for sale often, but when they do they sell in a flash. I dont expect one to pop up for sale on TM again in the near future so buying new will probably be the only option. In the mean time while i am sorting that out, i am buying a G&L L2000 so there are plenty of (good) distractions at the moment
I have ran the Four10 with the following:
QSC RMX 1450a Bridge w/Sonic Farm Pre
Tecamp Puma 1000
Genzler MG800
Shaw B150 Tube amp
Quilter BB800
Love the 10s with tubes, and bought a new Two10 in hopes of gaining more clean headroom. After trying the Sonic Farm 2di4 into the Quilter BB800......I feel I am giving very little up on tone and feel, and near limitless power is addictive. The notes are quick and punchy, I get clarity and tubes overtones, and the quilter's limiting gives it a great feel and thickness. Honestly, with that setup the Four10 would be loud enough for anthing I would do.....but it sure is fun to play through all 6!
That was my BB2,I sold the pair I had and the buyer flicked on one of them only a few weeks later, he reaslized that two was overkill. I like the 10s way more than the 12s. The One10 stack has covered all my gigs with ease in the last four months. Six10 is due any day now!
Played the new Two10 last night for the second time at a local wedding gig. This one allowed me to turn up a bit, and wow! That cab sounds killer, and I finally had the volume up enough for the speakers to break up a bit. Had the volume on the MB200 set about halfway up, and it was plenty loud. Definitely glad I upgraded.
Pbassmanca
In the pocket n' thumpy. So woody, so greasy...
Good to hear, Mark. I rather think that the BB2 might be too "clinical" for me as the tens just sound so good no matter what head I pair with them. Six 10 should blast your walls off, when I paired my two One 10s with my Four 10 to make a Six 10 I just could not crank it loud enough in the band room to hear any difference. I think it might be you I saw playing with two BB2s on a video somewhere??? If so - great band, great playing and great tone too
alexclaber
Commercial User
We have no plans to replace or supersede the current 12XN or 10CR models - hopefully they'll still be the best we can make in 10 years' time! All the R&D time is being spent on bass amps, guitar cabs and FX pedals - we haven't stopped thinking about how to make a better bass cab but with current technology (and speaker technology changes slowly, it's a very mature industry in that respect), but I can't see how it's possible.
We went from Gen 1 to 2 to 3 very quickly, because we started with Kappalite 15s (Gen 1), then added Kappalite 12s (Gen 2) and then started developing our own drivers because we wanted to take the best aspects of the four different neo woofers we were using and reduce the compromises. And that worked so well we applied the same process to the 10" ferrite drivers we were using. And the end result of both was the 12XN and 10CR variants of the Gen 3 range.
I know we could sell more bass cabs to existing Barefaced owners if every few years we released some updated models with marginal changes, surrounded by some song and dance about them being the best ever. But I'm really not a fan of that approach, for numerous reasons, even though new products every season, every year or every few years is what most industries are built on. You should hear some of the conversations we've been having about future-proofing the bass amp!
Maybe it's different because we sell direct, so if we sell you something that we say is the latest greatest most awesomest ever, and then launch an even more super duper wonder thing the next week, because you're in direct contact with us you'll call out our disingenuous behaviour. Much easier to hide behind your retailers who can say/claim they had no idea that product X was about to be replaced by product Y. Anyway...
"All the R&D time is being spent on bass amps..."
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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Here I go again.
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