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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
- Thread starter Stumbo
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Yup. I think the D800 and r210x2 stack would be epic. Still gotta try the D800.
I'm just heading out for my first gig with my BB2. Going to use my MarkBass F1 head tonight, as my Bugera Veyron BV1001M didn't arrive in time. Should be fine though, but I'd feel better with a more powerful head. Can't wait to hear this cab at gig volume though 
Good luck.
Last Saturday I gigged with my new Super Compact.
The band voted it a success and want me to always use this cab.
I have a second SC on order. Expecting delivery next week.
Debating on my arsenal. I'm pretty happy with my rig now:
One10
SM
SC
Meditating on unloading the 10 and SM to finance a 12ohm 210 to stand alone or pair with the SC. I know the 10 just arrived last night, so that's s fast flip. I don't honestly need the bigger 210 horsepower often, so it may be a case of eyes bigger than stomach
One10
SM
SC
Meditating on unloading the 10 and SM to finance a 12ohm 210 to stand alone or pair with the SC. I know the 10 just arrived last night, so that's s fast flip. I don't honestly need the bigger 210 horsepower often, so it may be a case of eyes bigger than stomach
I'd think that a Two10 + SC would be a great match-up!Debating on my arsenal. I'm pretty happy with my rig now:
One10
SM
SC
Meditating on unloading the 10 and SM to finance a 12ohm 210 to stand alone or pair with the SC. I know the 10 just arrived last night, so that's s fast flip. I don't honestly need the bigger 210 horsepower often, so it may be a case of eyes bigger than stomach
If you had a sub-4 Ohm capable head, you could do the 4 Ohm Two 10 - not sure about the power distribution, maybe Alex or someone could chime in on whether (assuming the amp can handle the load) the 12 Ohm Two10 + SC or 4 Ohm Two10 + SC would work better as far as output/sensitivity/power handling goes?
I have a 4 ohm stable head, and the SC handles more power so a 210 12 ohm would be s better fit. It's roughly a 4.8 ohm combo load with 300ish going to the 210 and 400ish going to the SC (rough numbers).
Okay. If my math is right, my 800w @ 4ohm head is 744w at 4.8ohm, which is the 8 ohm SC and the 12ohm 210. I think that means 298w to the 210 and 446w to the SC.
I'm not sure how to factor efficiency into this. By watts alone, the SC is getting 50% more than the 210 in this case, and if doubling the wattage gets you a 3dB increase, then would this boil down to a 1.5dB difference, or have I miscalculated and oversimplified?
Also, would the speaker distortion of the 210 functionally shrink any perceived volume output gap by "sounding" louder?
I emailed him about output levels, and he said the SC and SM get comparably loud. I then inquired about the pairing and didn't get a response yet. I'm sure he will chime in with something brief and meaningful, as he does.
The "matching" issue still has me a bit uncertain about changing things around much.
One10 on the side with the port open to the room is feeling like it is going to be my choice.
or not. dang. P bass an Want You To Want Me worked better sideways (that bass is addictive). upright, the punch really sounded better for the P playing Living After Midnight. very many sciences going on here
song / port
Hold on, I'm comin'/ down
Bang on the drum / down
Can't find my way home / down
Various Misfits / down
...well, i see where this is going.
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I had the same experience. Just when I thought having the port open on its side was "it", I'd flip it vertical and get the perfect effect for a different tune.
I think it's like any instrument. You learn how to play it as it reacts.
Put it on with the SCompact for a few minutes. It's not bad. This final cab arrangement will be a tough choice.
With the Two 10, it might be interesting to have a couple of chopped-down milk crates (or something similar) that are stackable - 6" each.
Set the cab vertical with just one crate, then two high - 12" and see how it affects the low end.
Not sure how stable the feet would work with them, but there are ways to make anything work.
I think in terms of milk crates because that is what I've used with a Bergantino HT322, EA CX310, & a Genz Benz Contour 500 1x15 combo + 1x15 Extension cab with very good results (just EQ the low end to the room).
Set the cab vertical with just one crate, then two high - 12" and see how it affects the low end.
Not sure how stable the feet would work with them, but there are ways to make anything work.
I think in terms of milk crates because that is what I've used with a Bergantino HT322, EA CX310, & a Genz Benz Contour 500 1x15 combo + 1x15 Extension cab with very good results (just EQ the low end to the room).
Ok, so my first gig is over and I'm a happy man.
First off the negatives. On stage it's a nice tone, but out front im struggling with the wooden stage. Nice low end that can be felt but not quite heard cleary. Low mids were also getting lost BUT It's the room/stage, not the rig, and it's always been a struggle here.
This gig could have done with the 1212L to get a bit more note definition. I normally use a Gramma pad with my 1212L, all the time, but I've not used it with the BB2 yet. Maybe I need to give it a go. Still, not a criticism of the cab at all, from what I heard at rehearsals I know the cab is capable of more and the overal tone was miles better than with the 1212L.
Positives. The volume was fine. I'm actually lower than I normally am on the master so that's a relief. its amazing how loud that cab sounded. Even tough it was on a tall (4ft+) high stage I could feel the low notes on the dance floor.
I didn't really mess with the EQ much, as I liked what I heard when standing close up with most things flat. If anything I had the low knob backed off a bit, something I've never had to do with this head. That's nice to know, I'm not going to be lacking in the low end.
So bottom line tonight, first gig with my BB2, it's a keeper.
Not the ideal gig, but this gig never has been a good one and I wasn't expecting much. The main worry about going from a 4ohm 1212L to the BB2 seemed like a non issue as far as volume goes. I'm still going to give the new head a go but I have a feeling that's going to be overkill for my gigs. Volume aside though the head seems more versatile, on paper, than my F1 anyway, and I'm pretty sure I would never even come close to pushing it hard.
If I get more larger gigs in then maybe I'll upgrade to one of the 2 x12 cabs (wouldnt really have room for two BB2's), but for now the BB2 is going to be all I need.
The 1212L can finally be put in to retirement now, I be found its replacement.
First off the negatives. On stage it's a nice tone, but out front im struggling with the wooden stage. Nice low end that can be felt but not quite heard cleary. Low mids were also getting lost BUT It's the room/stage, not the rig, and it's always been a struggle here.
This gig could have done with the 1212L to get a bit more note definition. I normally use a Gramma pad with my 1212L, all the time, but I've not used it with the BB2 yet. Maybe I need to give it a go. Still, not a criticism of the cab at all, from what I heard at rehearsals I know the cab is capable of more and the overal tone was miles better than with the 1212L.
Positives. The volume was fine. I'm actually lower than I normally am on the master so that's a relief. its amazing how loud that cab sounded. Even tough it was on a tall (4ft+) high stage I could feel the low notes on the dance floor.
I didn't really mess with the EQ much, as I liked what I heard when standing close up with most things flat. If anything I had the low knob backed off a bit, something I've never had to do with this head. That's nice to know, I'm not going to be lacking in the low end.
So bottom line tonight, first gig with my BB2, it's a keeper.
Not the ideal gig, but this gig never has been a good one and I wasn't expecting much. The main worry about going from a 4ohm 1212L to the BB2 seemed like a non issue as far as volume goes. I'm still going to give the new head a go but I have a feeling that's going to be overkill for my gigs. Volume aside though the head seems more versatile, on paper, than my F1 anyway, and I'm pretty sure I would never even come close to pushing it hard.
If I get more larger gigs in then maybe I'll upgrade to one of the 2 x12 cabs (wouldnt really have room for two BB2's), but for now the BB2 is going to be all I need.
The 1212L can finally be put in to retirement now, I be found its replacement.
Yeah, I should start using the Gramma again.
I've always found my F1 head to be a bit bland, so I'm now using a VTBass before it. It sounds good but I feel I need a head that doesn't need this help, and allow me to use the VTBass as and when I need it rather than on all the time.
Happy to use the EQ on any head though, although I find I use the EQ on the VT most of the time.
I've always found my F1 head to be a bit bland, so I'm now using a VTBass before it. It sounds good but I feel I need a head that doesn't need this help, and allow me to use the VTBass as and when I need it rather than on all the time.
Happy to use the EQ on any head though, although I find I use the EQ on the VT most of the time.
Will do.
Also noticing that the low volume coloration isn't terribly colorful. I mean that in a pleasant way. The voice is there but not overwhelming. Need to push it to hear it dirty up s bit
