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Double Bass Oh what the hell?!

#24
Les Fret said:
that is indeed not so smart. Maybe Bassperiod should change his name to avoid confusion.
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Ha ha, you guys are a riot. No doubt it would be an honour to be mistaken for the esteemed Ed Fuqua, easy-goin' Marcus Johnson or even ever candid P-dub. But to be mistaken for me? Ouch!

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Hey BassPeriod! In addition to the suggestion for a pre-amp (+1000 for F-Deck's HPF) I'm wondering about your Realist pickup. I have a notion that different pickups work better with different basses. You could consider trying something else (like a bridge wing pickup).
 
#26
@ Badong: I have the cmd121p it's the little single 12 in with a 500w amp

@ Bass: something like the underwood?
any suggestions for pickups?

definitely willing to switch out/around pickups but I'd rather not sell my amp

edit: Can't seem to find f-deck... i think I'm missing something :(
 
#29
Bass. said:
@ Badong: I have the cmd121p it's the little single 12 in with a 500w amp

@ Bass: something like the underwood?
any suggestions for pickups?

definitely willing to switch out/around pickups but I'd rather not sell my amp

edit: Can't seem to find f-deck... i think I'm missing something :(
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Bass.
Used the Underwood for many years and it worked pretty well. Moved to the Realist and it sounded much more like my bass. I don't think you will have to sell the amp.I just wish that Markbass would make it so you could defeat the VLE and VPF controls when you are using a upright. But that's my personal bias. Google Francis Deck and you'll find his website.

Ric
 
#30
SplitNick said:
The F-deck is the HPF Pre. Look for the user fdeck. He makes them.
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It's been said many times already, but this is a great little unit and you can't beat the price...

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Currently using a Rev Solo II pickup with HPF-Pre into a GK MB210 and that's working well... not quite as nice a tone as I get with a Shure SM 57 or SM 58, but I'm able to get a lot more volume with the pickup and HPF-Pre without feedback. When playing with drums and electric guitars it's been well worth the trade off.

+1 to BassNoPeriod's notion that "different pickups work better with different basses", but I'd get a preamp and see what that does for you with your Realist first.
 
#32
ok so the things people have been suggesting so far is
fdecks: HPF pre
and
fishmans: Pro EQ

Id love to run a poll!
It seems that the hpf has a few more backing it and I think ill give that a try when everything ($$) pans out. Currently I am flat broke

The pro eq seems like a good option too... with the eq and im sure it would match the impedence

anyone have experience with wait time for the hpf pre?
 
#36
Badong said:
What was the result of using a mic with the bass?
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The mic goes to the house. I give the sound guy no direct line from my pickup unless a fight is going to ensue then I yield. I just feel like it gets that closest sound to my bass. A pickup in the hands of a soundguy unfamiliar with DB can be hell. I did a gig recently where he insisted on a mic and direct line and I ended up pulling the cable from the DI part way through the gig because the sound was so unnatural and distracting.

Truth be told I've had spotty success with the mic into amp thing. I've been really pleased on duo hits or whatever but I feel handcuffed if it gets louder. Pickups were invented for that very reason.

On stage I use a Realist through a Fishman Platinum Pre into GK 150MBS sometimes with the extension speaker if it a louder gig. Sometimes I use AI Clarus into an EA Wizzy 12M if I need to be stoopid loud.
 
#37
Bass. said:
...@ Bass: something like the underwood?
any suggestions for pickups?
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Hey man, I actually had a Revolution Solo II in mind because your first post indicated you were concerned about colouring the tone. The RSII is somewhat true. But yeah, the Underwood would also be a fine choice.

But if you don't already have a preamp, you need one - so start there. Especially if you're flat broke, it could be a waste of money and time swapping pickups.

I've never had a Fishman, and they do seem to get alot of praise, so I'm sure it's a fine preamp. But the HPF-pre is only 50 bucks. The biggest difference (I think) would be the Fishman has EQ control. Which in my opinion is unnecessary since your amp has an EQ.
 
#38
Bass said:
I've never had a Fishman, and they do seem to get alot of praise, so I'm sure it's a fine preamp. But the HPF-pre is only 50 bucks. The biggest difference (I think) would be the Fishman has EQ control. Which in my opinion is unnecessary since your amp has an EQ.
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Correct my lingo here but F-Deck's HPF is not really a 'preamp' in the strictest terms. It does impedance matching, phase reversal, and has a high pass filter. Definitely all handy things to have and all many of us need.

The thing I like about the Fishman and the main reason I decided on it is you can run the XLR DI either pre or post eq. If the sound guy takes a signal and is royally screwing it up you can tweak your house sound from the stage. It also has a ground lift which is handy for killing buzz in DI signals. It also allows you to control the output level of pickups which is handy so you can send a strong signal to the amp.


F-Deck's box has gotten really high praise so if the DI control and pickup preamplification isn't something you need go that way.
 
#39
fingers said:
Correct my lingo here but F-Deck's HPF is not really a 'preamp' in the strictest terms. It does impedance matching, phase reversal, and has a high pass filter. Definitely all handy things to have and all many of us need.
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fdeck's device is essentially unity-gain. That means it neither substantially attenuates nor amplifies the signal (aside from the high-pass function). So, it doesn't really amplify. Is an active unity-gain device an amplifier? Well, splitting the hairs very finely, if it doesn't amplify, then it's not an amplifier.

fdeck's circuit would more properly be called a "buffer stage" followed by a HPF because it actively separates the input (the pickup) from the next stage (amp or board). Still, the standard EE parlance is to refer to such an active signal circuit as an amplifier. It would be common to call it a "buffer amp" even when it doesn't amplify.

fdeck's circuit can provide a small amount of gain so, if set that way, it would be an amplifier even in the strictest terms. In most applications, pre-amps precede the main line-level input and provide substantial gain (e.g., mic pre-amps, phono pre-amps, etc.) fdeck's device does precede the main line-level input (on your rig or on a board) so it earns the "pre" part. If it is set to provide gain (amplifies), then it is certainly a pre-amp.

So, if set to provide unity-gain, and we split hairs, it's a pre-buffer stage and HPF. With gain, it's a pre-amp and HPF. Let's just call it a pre-amp. ;)

In addition, I call it a wonderfully-designed useful and function device, aka, a gem.
 
#40
I'm not trying to say one is better than the other. Like I said both units have received high praise on this site and beyond.

They do have some pretty different features though. When using pickups that have a lower signal the ability to substantially preamplify that signal can be pretty handy. Does f-deck's gem have and xlr out? That can be handy if you are playing big venues where the soundman insists on a pickup line.
 

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