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Oh yeah, the English are sooo educated.

#143
Tegzsa said:
But the Japanese never intended to invade the US. They wanted control of South East Asia and wanted America to stay out of it. The whole point of Pearl Harbour was to cripple the US fleet for long enough to make Japan's hold on the East unbreakable. Their mistake was not finding the carriers and not being aware of how their action would allow Churchill and Roosevelt to pull America fully into WWII.
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Yeah but we're talking "ifs" here, and with Germany + Russia they could have done plenty.

MakiSupaStar said:
Wrong. The japanese planes that bombed pearl harbor barely made it to hawaii. To take it the west coast would have been a huge production. The would have needed to take over Hawaii. Stage there, then hit the west coast, however, Hawaii is closer to Mexico than San Diego, or southern Californa.
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Read above.
 
#145
morf said:
Yeah but we're talking "ifs" here, and with Germany + Russia they could have done plenty.



Read above.
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I agree, but we were talking about the hypothetical because you brought up the fact about feeling invincible. You're a funny man with a funny hat that you switch upon your convenience. Do you ride your bicycle to work backwards because you my friend should be in the Tour De France with your backpedalling skills. ;)
 
#146
MakiSupaStar said:
I agree, but we were talking about the hypothetical because you brought up the fact about feeling invincible. You're a funny man with a funny hat that you switch upon your convenience. Do you ride your bicycle to work backwards because you my friend should be in the Tour De France with your backpedalling skills. ;)
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Maki, it was about middy feeling invincible, not I. Maybe I backpedal but for a teacher with a degree in english your reading skills astound me :)

And I dont see where the backpedalling here is. middy said that in WWII times Americans were invincible and no matter what, the US couldn't have been taken over. Seems to me I was on topic.

And at least I dont play my bass backwards, freak :spit: :D
 
#149
MakiSupaStar said:
I could make up another pledge to Australia if y'all want... ;)
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Only if we can bomb Mexico next with Japanese Bombers.


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#152
morf said:
Yeah thats all nice and dandy but Hitler likes planes and bombs. An armed populace won't do much against bombers, which were pretty much the deciding factor in that war.
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Incorrect. If airpower had been the deciding factor, there would have been no reason to invade. We could have continued bombing until the Germans surrendered. It wasn't the case. Nor was it the case during the Blitz, or American bombing raids against Japan in the Pacific. The British didn't give up despite the destruction of cities like Coventry, nor did the Japanese give up after we laid waste to vast sections of Tokyo. In the case of the Japanese, their capitulation came about only after Nagasaki, when Emperor Hirohito overruled his ministers and Generals and directed Japan's surrender to the Allies.

German war production didn't reach it's peak until September 1944, about 8 months before they capitulated. I submit that given this fact that airpower was not as decisive as some of its champions assert. This is not to diminish its contributions, both direct and indirect to the final victory. However, to say that it was the deciding factor would ignore the fact that we had to go in, on the ground to secure the victory, as men have done for countless centuries.
 
#155
morf said:
Maki, it was about middy feeling invincible, not I. Maybe I backpedal but for a teacher with a degree in english your reading skills astound me :)

And I dont see where the backpedalling here is. middy said that in WWII times Americans were invincible and no matter what, the US couldn't have been taken over. Seems to me I was on topic.

And at least I dont play my bass backwards, freak :spit: :D
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Well whoever said it is not important because I'm an American. The conversation degenerated into possible staging areas for invading the US. You mentioned Japan, and I poo poo'd your idea. Then you countered my poo poo with someone elses comment like I was foolish for even addressing the very idea that you presented. Oh I'm wise to you and your buttery philosophical tactics my little French friend. :)
 
#156
morf said:
Maki, it was about middy feeling invincible, not I. Maybe I backpedal but for a teacher with a degree in english your reading skills astound me :)

And I dont see where the backpedalling here is. middy said that in WWII times Americans were invincible and no matter what, the US couldn't have been taken over. Seems to me I was on topic.

And at least I dont play my bass backwards, freak :spit: :D
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Originally, I said unless our navy was rendered ineffective and Mexico joined the Axis there was no way an invasion could succeed. I stand by my assertion. :smug:
 
#157
abngourmet said:
Incorrect. If airpower had been the deciding factor, there would have been no reason to invade. We could have continued bombing until the Germans surrendered. It wasn't the case. Nor was it the case during the Blitz, or American bombing raids against Japan in the Pacific. The British didn't give up despite the destruction of cities like Coventry, nor did the Japanese give up after we laid waste to vast sections of Tokyo. In the case of the Japanese, their capitulation came about only after Nagasaki, when Emperor Hirohito overruled his ministers and Generals and directed Japan's surrender to the Allies.

German war production didn't reach it's peak until September 1944, about 8 months before they capitulated. I submit that given this fact that airpower was not as decisive as some of its champions assert. This is not to diminish its contributions, both direct and indirect to the final victory. However, to say that it was the deciding factor would ignore the fact that we had to go in, on the ground to secure the victory, as men have done for countless centuries.
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No, it wouldn't be ignoring going on the ground. It would just place airpower higher on the deciding scale than ground troops, and I believe it was. My wording was strong, deciding factor is a bit of a stretch, but I'm pretty sure that air power played the most important (well, second most after the bomb) role in this war. That does not belittle the importance of ground troops at all, nor the importance of the battles, won or lost, but I believe it is the bombing that did the psychological damage which led leaders to make the decisions they did.
 

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