Which is pretty much what the Japanese did in Pearl Harbor. Would they have kept attacking after it, with the help of the German's, you'd be eating bratwurst instead of burritos and saying danke shun
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Oh yeah, the English are sooo educated.
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Which is pretty much what the Japanese did in Pearl Harbor. Would they have kept attacking after it, with the help of the German's, you'd be eating bratwurst instead of burritos and saying danke shun
There were a fair number of US pilots in England well before the US "officially" joined the fight. I believe that England would have defeated Hitler in England anyway, but I'm not so sure they could defeated him in Europe without us joining the fight.
Morf, Hitler would have gotten a good old fashioned butt whuppin' if he had invaded the US. Our populace is (and was then as well) as well armed as most nations' military units.
Morf, Hitler would have gotten a good old fashioned butt whuppin' if he had invaded the US. Our populace is (and was then as well) as well armed as most nations' military units.
Yeah thats all nice and dandy but Hitler likes planes and bombs. An armed populace won't do much against bombers, which were pretty much the deciding factor in that war.
Hawaii is nowhere near mainland US. By the time they arrived in California they would have faced much more resistance. They took us completely by surprise, and then they got their tails whipped.
Well, the Battle of Britain ensured that the Luftwaffe could not provide air superiority for an invasion fleet that would surely have been pounded to pieces by the Royal Navy and Bomber command. Add to which, British fighter and bomber production actually outstripped German during the same time.
Hitler's decision to turn around and start on Russia gave Britain some breathing space and further German defeat in North Africa made finding oil for fuel a major priority for the Wehrmacht, which meant a further push east, the horror of Stalingrad, the onset of winter etc.
Britain might have held out independantly, but once the Red Army got itself together who's to say the whole European continent might not have found themselves swapping Hitler with Stalin (possibly an even worse monster) with Britain to fall under a Soviet Naval blockade and America thanking their lucky stars that they stayed out of it.
However, it was American troops and equipment that made sure Europe returned to democratic freedom, and this was largely due to a president who understood what had to be done despite rabid isolationists within his own country (hello Joe Kennedy) and the Marshall Plan.
Roosevelt was, IMO, the best American president the rest of the world ever had.
Hitler's decision to turn around and start on Russia gave Britain some breathing space and further German defeat in North Africa made finding oil for fuel a major priority for the Wehrmacht, which meant a further push east, the horror of Stalingrad, the onset of winter etc.
Britain might have held out independantly, but once the Red Army got itself together who's to say the whole European continent might not have found themselves swapping Hitler with Stalin (possibly an even worse monster) with Britain to fall under a Soviet Naval blockade and America thanking their lucky stars that they stayed out of it.
However, it was American troops and equipment that made sure Europe returned to democratic freedom, and this was largely due to a president who understood what had to be done despite rabid isolationists within his own country (hello Joe Kennedy) and the Marshall Plan.
Roosevelt was, IMO, the best American president the rest of the world ever had.
The US mainland is huge. He wouldn't have made it very far inland with his planes and bombs.
Which is pretty much what the Japanese did in Pearl Harbor. Would they have kept attacking after it, with the help of the German's, you'd be eating bratwurst instead of burritos and saying danke shun
That is complete nonsense. You didn't pick up a whole lot regarding logistics and strategy when you studied history, did you?
No he has agreed completely with my analysis - so you might have France "owing" you - for liberation, but not us!
No one was talking about anyone owning anyone anything. I think we can agree the French in WWII were a bunch of snooty surrender monkeys, Churchill was an American Idol contestant, and Australia is an island just off California. Come one people. What are they teaching you in school?
If we're playing "what if" - then if Hitler could have beaten the Russians or achieved some kind of collaboration with Stalin - they could have attacked through Alaska...
How would you have liked a cold war that was really cold - expert winter troops bursting through from the north along with U Boats firing improved missiles....?
Remember, Von Braun would have been on the other side!!
Yep, just a quick trip across the Atlantic and back home for more bombs and maybe some schnitzel.
ROFL!
That's entirely debatable and you will never know for a fact it's true. A synchronised attack on pearl harbor obliterating the navy and on mainland using bombers, followed by men after the bombs would have done a LOT of damage, if you had no allies you'd definitely be taken over IMHO.
Stalin was far more of a monster than Hitler could have dreamed of being. We should have listened to Patton and kept rolling right on into Russia. Which would have stopped the cold war dead in its tracks, kept Afghanistan free from Soviet rule, and we pretty much wouldn't be living this nightmare War on Terror that we're now in the middle of.
If we're playing "what if" - then if Hitler could have beaten the Russians or achieved some kind of collaboration with Stalin - they could have attacked through Alaska...
How would you have liked a cold war that was really cold - expert winter troops bursting through from the north along with U Boats firing improved missiles....?
Remember, Von Braun would have been on the other side!!
Have you ever even heard of logistics? March across Alaska? Heh.
Plenty of ways it could have been done.
Nice to see you really do think you're completely invincible though. Must be nice to live in fantasy land.
Which screwed Britain and Europe for huge amounts of money and interest - yeah good old' Uncle Sam provides "freedom" at a price - nothing has changed really!!
How many armed men would it take to subdue a nation of 130 million, most of them armed? How are you going to get them across the ocean, much less feed them and provide ammunition?
This thread is really proving the point after all.
