If you're building an empire in Europe DO NOT invade Russia in the winter.
That's the ONLY usefull thing I learned in History lessons!
Ian
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Oh yeah, the English are sooo educated.
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If you're building an empire in Europe DO NOT invade Russia in the winter.
That's the ONLY usefull thing I learned in History lessons!
Ian
"Ze next time I will make sure zat zis botcher Göring will not be in sharge of ze Luftwaffe. I should have done it myself, zis fat idiot is totally incompetent. Did I mention zat I paid his sex transformation..? I will attack Britain again, bad comedy is ze ultimate weapon zis time, zey will surrender."
just kidding
Dude that sucks, I thought sherlock holmes was real...
But those surveys are a joke I always lie if I get anyone in the street asking me questions
But those surveys are a joke I always lie if I get anyone in the street asking me questions
I think you're wrong on all but the last of those points - so at first Stalin had a pact with Hitler and it was the fact that USSR stayed out, that allowed the Nazis to sweep through Europe.
But then the big turning point of the mainland war, was when Hitler over-reached himself, took on the USSR at the height of the Russian Winter and lost huge numbers of troops - nothing to do with the US!
I'll give you Japan - but Europe was already decided before the US entered the war!
All that the US troops did was get to Berlin in time to divide up the spoils, start the Cold war and charge Britain huge amounts of money - which we only finished paying off, last year! So now at last, we owe you nothing!
Wow. Y'all really are ignorant of history. Bruce just proved it.
I think you're wrong on all but the last of those points - so at first Stalin had a pact with Hitler and it was the fact that USSR stayed out, that allowed the Nazis to sweep through Europe.
But then the big turning point of the mainland war, was when Hitler over-reached himself, took on the USSR at the height of the Russian Winter and lost huge numbers of troops - nothing to do with the US!
I'll give you Japan - but Europe was already decided before the US entered the war!
All that the US troops did was get to Berlin in time to divide up the spoils, start the Cold war and charge Britain huge amounts of money - which we only finished paying off, last year! So now at last, we owe you nothing!
So all those guys that stormed the beaches in Normandy died for nothing. That's a great thought.
So all those guys that stormed the beaches in Normandy died for nothing. That's a great thought.
That's not true.
But Hitler had the bulk of his resources committed on the
Eastern Front. The tide of the war turned at Stalingrad,
resulting in the encirclement, crushing defeat and
decimation of General Paulus' 6th Army. At that point the war
was lost for the Germans.
Without the Western Front, the Russians would have
dominated all of Europe, not just Eastern Europe.
That is of itself is a frightening 'what if' thought.
Certainly, the Brits would not have been able to
invade Europe in 1944 on their own; the AEF
was able to make that happen, and was directly
responsible for a Free France and Western Europe.
For an interesting perspective on the Eastern Front, I refer
readers to 'Stalingrad' and 'The Fall of Berlin 1945' by
Antony Beevor. Great books.
No he has agreed completely with my analysis - so you might have France "owing" you - for liberation, but not us!
I think you're wrong on all but the last of those points - so at first Stalin had a pact with Hitler and it was the fact that USSR stayed out, that allowed the Nazis to sweep through Europe.
But then the big turning point of the mainland war, was when Hitler over-reached himself, took on the USSR at the height of the Russian Winter and lost huge numbers of troops - nothing to do with the US!
I'll give you Japan - but Europe was already decided before the US entered the war!
All that the US troops did was get to Berlin in time to divide up the spoils, start the Cold war and charge Britain huge amounts of money - which we only finished paying off, last year! So now at last, we owe you nothing!
hitler attacked russia in june 41. that's not winter, even in russia. the us troops never made it to berlin in time (or any western allied forces for that matter). half of berlin was given to the allied forces in return for thueringen, which is 20 times as big as berlin.
Germany would have lost anyways, with or without the help of the US, but we'd all be speaking russian now. i'm quite happy that it didn't come to that.
I was kidding... but yeah, taunting France is too easy
Truth is, you wouldn't have lasted long without us - or Russia for that matter, and we surely couldn't have done it alone either. A united effort defeated Hitler's army - and Italy and Japan as well.
If nazi Germany attacked the US with the help of Japan without France or Britain butting in, what do you think would have happened to you? My guess is you'd be saying Hail alot right about now.
Russia remembers Stalingrad carnage
By Moscow correspondent Scott Bevan
Posted Sat Feb 2, 2008
Russian soldiers in action in Stalingrad: In September 1942 an attacking German army of 1 million men met a force of equal numbers on the Russian side.
Audio: Russia commemorates battle of Stalingrad (AM) Thousands of people are gathering in the Russian city of Volgograd to commemorate the 65th anniversary of the end of one of the most crucial battles of World War II.
The Battle of Stalingrad saw more than 2 million Soviet and German soldiers desperately fighting in the snow and mud for six months.
The Germans eventually surrendered in a battle that not only changed the course of the war but helped forge Russians' sense of who they were and who they continue to be.
The name Stalingrad may have disappeared off the maps of Russia and been replaced by Volgograd, but it has been seared into the history books and into the hearts and memories of a nation...
You missed my little "joke" - so I said that the US got there in time to start the Cold war!!
Err am I supposed to take this seriously...?
I did Russian at school - I passed my O Level!!
So all those guys that stormed the beaches in Normandy died for nothing. That's a great thought.
Don't listen to Bruce, obviously this thread applies to him in more ways than he could have possibly thought.
He is, however, entirely correct to throw this kind of stuff in Americans' faces some. I don't know how many times the argument 'we saved your ass in WWII' was used by some bigot whos never been to war himself, hell I've even argued with Americans on these boards telling me that France was entirely with the nazis and that the Resistance never really existed
Anyway, I wouldn't talk too quickly about the British education when in a couple of searches you can find this kind of ignorance/arrogance thrown around like it doesn't matter what BS comes out of people's mouths.
morf, i don't want to dent your national pride, but your army at the time was a bit of a joke.
if i had to fight a vastly superior army i'd be reading that black book of 'surrendermonkeyness' too.
No doubt. I'm not discussing that fact, but lets not twist history like some do.
As for the Belgian army, aside from frying potatoes, I'm not sure there's many uses. Do you guys even own a single tank?
That's ridiculous. Attacking across an ocean is a whole different ballgame. It would have been virtually impossible unless the axis somehow managed to neutralize most of our Navy and had the cooperation of Mexico to use as a staging ground.
