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OK, I've gone from disappointed to a bit angry.

Salicete

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I recently posted a thread about a Fender American bass I received from Musician's Friend that had "issues." I won't rehash that whole thread, but I will say it was NOT a bash Fender thread, and M.F. cheerfully handled the exchange of that particular bass. I am, and always will be a Fender bass player and am what you would call a "Fender Fan Boy."

No company is perfect, but a good indication of their ethics and quality is how they handle issues, and the fact that they do, or do not stand behind what they sell.

I opted to exchange the blemished Jazz bass for an American Vintage Reissue, '64 Jazz Bass in Lake Placid Blue. I really liked the look of the painted-matching headstock. Sure, it cost about twice as much as the return bass, but in fact it was what I really wanted in the first place, so I pulled the pin and bought it.

That bass arrived this morning....


(See comment below regarding points 1,2 and 3 please.)
1. Inner box was obviously opened previously. Perhaps MF inspected it, who knows...

2. Hang tags removed from tuning keys and crammed into case compartment.

3. Plastic protective covering removed from tuning keys and from pickguard, maybe the reissues don't come that way, but I'm betting they are supposed to.


4. Big honking 6-inch blemish across the upper body of the bass. It looked like a scratch. It was EASILY visible but you could not feel it when you ran your finger over it, as it is IN the finish, not on the finish, leading me to believe it was not damage, but a factory blemish. Odd, on what is supposed to be a higher end bass. Not Custom Shop, but substantially more expensive than an American Standard.

I strongly suspect that this bass, which was sold to me as first quality/new was in fact a return. I am also wondering why Fender would let a bass like this out the door. OK, I can't prove how it happened or where, but the fact that it was a blemish under the surface of an otherwise smoothly finished guitar strongly suggests it was not done aftermarket.

I'm not one of those hyper-picky people. In fact, I usually buy used, which means dents, dings and mojo; I have no problem with well worn bass guitars, but when I pay for new, I expect unblemished NEW.

Two in a row may be just bad luck, but I won't go for number three, and yes, I've gone from disappointed about the situation to, as the thread says, "a bit angry."

MF, again, cheerfully accepted the return and sent me a return shipping label, so they stood behind their product, and I'll still use them for little things like stands, picks, strings, and other widgets, but I'm going back to putting my hands on every bass I buy before I plop my money down.


EDIT: TO CLARIFY, 1,2 and 3 are offered simply as evidence that the bass was sold at least once before I got it, NOT general quality issues, so hold your fire on the snarky picky-buyer comments. ;)
 
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Two in a row may be just bad luck, but I won't go for number three.
I don't think there's any good reason to think it's anything but this.

My two cents: If you're willing to spend AVRI money, why not import a new Japanese Fender. They won't be around forever, so now's the perfect opportunity to get one. I've never owned a new MIJ instrument, but the several used ones I've owned have all been excellent.
 
Sadly, the much-touted "American made quality" often does not mean quite what it once did. Fender is not the only example by a very long shot.

Have to agree here. Once I started looking at high end South American made and Japanese made basses, my entire perspective was turned around.
 
If you cant feel it you can buff it out real quick with a bit of polish. Something that easy shouldn't take more than a minute or two. Definitely should have been done at the factory before it shipped out though! Especially for the price they go for. If everything else was perfect and that was the only issue it would just be a very minor deal to me and I would have kept it.

GL on whatever you get next :)
 
Sadly, the much-touted "American made quality" often does not mean quite what it once did. Fender is not the only example by a very long shot.

This sounds like an MF handling thing rather than a Fender-Fail. At least to me.

I don't do MF - I only use Sweetwater for on line stuff. Never had any problem with them.
 
Sadly, the much-touted "American made quality" often does not mean quite what it once did. Fender is not the only example by a very long shot.

I reluctantly agree. The build quality of the Japanese built Gretsch guitar and bass I owned (both were bought used) was spectacular. I am a cranky one when it comes to fit and finish, and these instruments were just beautiful. More impressive was that each had binding, multiple paint colors, and semi-hollow bodies.

I also owned a lightly used 2007 Gibson double cut Les Paul Jr VOS, built by Gibson's version of the Custom Shop (although it was part of a series, not an individual instrument). An absolute blast to play, but jeez, the build quality was not what I'd expected. It wouldn't stop me from buying another Gibson -- in fact I really want an SG bass -- but I'd have been furious if I bought the Jr brand new and had to deal with a sticky nut, sloppy tuners, and all the other niggling little issues the guitar had when I bought it used.
 
IMO Fender is still the highest quality 'production' guitar built in the USA (still have a lot of room for improvement). For Gibson I spent 6 months looking through trash guitars before finding a Les Paul without finish mistakes all over it. If you look close 9/10 Gibson on the shelf have rough tooling marks on the neck binding. Absolutely unacceptable for the price they go for.

With that said Japan and Korea have probably the most consistent quality guitars on the shelf these days. Might put up Indonesian guitars on that level too.

I would highly recommend ordering off Sweetwater. You can look over the exact guitar you are being shipped and can choose between others in the same color as well.
 
If you cant feel it you can buff it out real quick with a bit of polish. Something that easy shouldn't take more than a minute or two. Definitely should have been done at the factory before it shipped out though! Especially for the price they go for. If everything else was perfect and that was the only issue it would just be a very minor deal to me and I would have kept it.

GL on whatever you get next :)

It is deep in the finish. Looks like you would have to buff down to near the primer to get it out, and I'm not fixing a supposedly new bass.
 
IMO Fender is still the highest quality 'production' guitar built in the USA (still have a lot of room for improvement). For Gibson I spent 6 months looking through trash guitars before finding a Les Paul without finish mistakes all over it. If you look close 9/10 Gibson on the shelf have rough tooling marks on the neck binding. Absolutely unacceptable for the price they go for.
Ever play a Music Man or G&L?
 
Ever play a Music Man or G&L?

yep. I do like music man. I just don't think of them as a mass produced 'production' company like Fender. Seems like everything Music Man is known for is signature guitars and 1 or 2 of their own models. 3/4 of their whole lineup are Petruicci models and they don't sell anywhere near the amount Fender does. G&L I was just not that impressed. I've had probably a dozen of their top models over the years and just did not think they were anything special. Quality wise it was good but nothing spectacular.
 
I second the Sweetwater as an online source, but I also miss the days of going to a store and touching before I buy. Like with anything that is mass or semi-mass produced the QC is going to vary form instrument to instrument. I sat in a GC and tried 3 American and 2 MIM J-basses and all 5 played different from each other and each one had a blemish from the manufacturer of some sort.
 
yep. I do like music man. I just don't think of them as a mass produced 'production' company like Fender. Seems like everything Music Man is known for is signature guitars and 1 or 2 of their own models. 3/4 of their whole lineup are Petruicci models and they don't sell anywhere near the amount Fender does. G&L I was just not that impressed. I've had probably a dozen of their top models over the years and just did not think they were anything special. Quality wise it was good but nothing spectacular.

Um, the Stingray is the number one thing MusicMan is known for. MusicMan (as with G&L too) is certainly a production company. Granted, G&L does have more "semi-custom" (if you can call it that) options than typical production companies.
 
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Had similar problem w MF on packing being the issue returning an item twice. Got a credit and a 25% discount on next purchase when whined just a little bit

Probably worth giving another shot
 
Um, the Stingray is the number one thing MusicMan is known for. MusicMan (as with G&L too) is certainly a production company. Granted, G&L does have more "semi-custom" (if you can call it that) options than typical production companies.

true. but you are comparing a company that has one to a company that has what a dozen? I just don't think MusicMan produces enough in my view to consider them a mass produced company. They are small potatoes in the US instrument industry.
 
+1 on Sweetwater. I purchased an AVRI 64' Jazz in Daphne blue from them in December. They stated up front they would open it and do an inspection. I liked that I could pick out the exact one I wanted from their stock(4 of them).
In defense of MF though, I've always had good luck with them too. If they did open yours before shipping they should have told you, and surely they would have noticed the blemish and should have notified you or sent a different bass.
Also, I did buy a squire fretless jazz bass from MF at a killer low price because they advertised it as blemished. When I got the bass I could not find a blemish anywhere..so you never know...
 
I recently posted a thread about a Fender American bass I received from Musician's Friend that had "issues." I won't rehash that whole thread, but I will say it was NOT a bash Fender thread, and M.F. cheerfully handled the exchange of that particular bass. I am, and always will be a Fender bass player and am what you would call a "Fender Fan Boy."

No company is perfect, but a good indication of their ethics and quality is how they handle issues, and the fact that they do, or do not stand behind what they sell.

I opted to exchange the blemished Jazz bass for an American Vintage Reissue, '64 Jazz Bass in Lake Placid Blue. I really liked the look of the painted-matching headstock. Sure, it cost about twice as much as the return bass, but in fact it was what I really wanted in the first place, so I pulled the pin and bought it.

That bass arrived this morning....


1. Inner box was obviously opened previously. Perhaps MF inspected it, who knows...

2. Hang tags removed from tuning keys and crammed into case compartment.

3. Plastic protective covering removed from tuning keys and from pickguard, maybe the reissues don't come that way, but I'm betting they are supposed to.

4. Big honking 6-inch blemish across the upper body of the bass. It looked like a scratch. It was EASILY visible but you could not feel it when you ran your finger over it, as it is IN the finish, not on the finish, leading me to believe it was not damage, but a factory blemish. Odd, on what is supposed to be a higher end bass. Not Custom Shop, but substantially more expensive than an American Standard.

I strongly suspect that this bass, which was sold to me as first quality/new was in fact a return. I am also wondering why Fender would let a bass like this out the door. OK, I can't prove how it happened or where, but the fact that it was a blemish under the surface of an otherwise smoothly finished guitar strongly suggests it was not done aftermarket.

I'm not one of those hyper-picky people. In fact, I usually buy used, which means dents, dings and mojo; I have no problem with well worn bass guitars, but when I pay for new, I expect unblemished NEW.

Two in a row may be just bad luck, but I won't go for number three, and yes, I've gone from disappointed about the situation to, as the thread says, "a bit angry."

MF, again, cheerfully accepted the return and sent me a return shipping label, so they stood behind their product, and I'll still use them for little things like stands, picks, strings, and other widgets, but I'm going back to putting my hands on every bass I buy before I plop my money down.

It sounds like two things are happening here.

1) MF sold you a "brand new" bass that was clearly not brand new, but in fact was a returned item. MF has been doing that for a long time, maybe forever. The previous owner(s) probably returned it for the same reason you did.
2) The bass you got with the deep finish flaw sounds like a factory "blem" or a "2nd". There are a lot of factory blems reaching retailers these days. Some of these retailers are not disclosing that info, and are selling them as "A" stock with full warranty, as there are no markings on the guitar to denote that they are blems. I'm not talking cheap entry level guitars, either.

Examples;

1) A couple years ago I bought a brand new G&L MJ4 online from an authorized G&L dealer. No mention was made of the significant factory finish flaws, nor the truss rod issues I've only recently discovered. IMO the bass should have never left the factory in the first place.

2) Last month I bought a minty 1 year old Brubaker JXB4 off ebay. Had to return it due to a totally frozen truss rod, wouldn't budge in either direction. That sort of problem doesn't happen during shipping, nor is it likely that the previous owner caused it to seize up. So how does a USA made Brubaker with a list price of $3500 leave the shop with an inoperable truss rod?

3) A couple weeks ago I found a minty Fender USA Dimension Deluxe on ebay. Great bass in every way, and I'd been looking for a nice used example for a long time. Guess what....frozen truss rod, no movement in either direction. I put enough force on the spoked-wheel adjuster that I bent my allen wrench in the process....nada.

That said, I've never had any issues with Korean-made basses, and I've had (and still have) plenty of them. And I've had a few that were stamped "used" or "2nd" but were issue-free. Right now, I have a couple Korean ESP-LTD basses that should arrive here soon, and I bet dollars to donuts that they'll be just fine.
 
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true. but you are comparing a company that has one to a company that has what a dozen? I just don't think MusicMan produces enough in my view to consider them a mass produced company. They are small potatoes in the US instrument industry.

I have to disagree with that. The are one of the biggest USA production companies. The "one" and "dozen" you are talking about I assume are popular models, right? If so, the Stingray remark was just in response to when you said they are mainly known for Signature models. Stingrays are one of the most popular basses out there, period. MusicMan does have other popular, original models though such as the Sterling, Sabre and Bongo. Obviously Fender and Gibson are the two biggest American mass produced companies, but company can still be a production company even if it doesn't produce as much product as another one. Rickenbacker doesn't produce nearly the amount of instruments many other companies do, for example, but they are still a production company. I would consider MusicMan and G&L to be in the top 5 biggest American production companies, along with Gibson, Fender and Rickenbacker. The "Small Potatoes" (which I mean in no way derogatory, as I'm sure you didn't either. I like to support these kind of people.) are small, independent makers who build to order, the ones that truly are not mass produced/production companies. Companies like Birdsong Guitars, Delaney Guitars, Muckelroy Basses, Stambaugh Designs, Tom Clement basses, Nelson Instruments, Pedulla, etc.
 
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