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OK, I've gone from disappointed to a bit angry.

#101
SanDiegoHarry said:
This sounds like an MF handling thing rather than a Fender-Fail. At least to me.

I don't do MF - I only use Sweetwater for on line stuff. Never had any problem with them.
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Yeah, MF has been known to send returns as new, but these shouldn't have made it past Fender factory QC. I keep hearing that Sweetwater treats customers better. MF will make it right if you press them, but it shouldn't have been wrong in the first place.
 
#102
To me, this is not poor quality but, poor quality control. The fact that the tags were not hanging and the plastic protectors were missing tells me that this item had been returned by another customer to MF and they tried to pawn it off on you instead of returning it to Fender. This is the chance you take with an online purchase.
 
#103
Stealth Fighter said:
We Americans have always had our issues with manufacturing quality levels, just as all countries have. Still, we remain the worlds leading manufacturer and we have the most stable economy of any nation. We must be doing something right.
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I fail to see the relation between size (I assume that is what you mean by leading manufacturer) and quality. If the biggest manufacturer was also the highest quality one then China would surpass America, because since 2010 they have become the world's leading one, and have recently increased their lead over the U.S.

Do you have any citation for your second claim? According to any list I've seen the U.S. is not high up in stability, and it is far from being the most competitive. It also has a very high gap between rich and poor, and one of the worst of the large ones in terms of investement in and quality of infrastructure.

What you are tops in seems to be thinking you are the best and so maybe this is why so many Americans believe they have little to learn from elsewhere. Sorry for the high jack but people from other countries get very tired of hearing these claims constantly with no evidence and less veracity, and it's insulting to the ones who are higher ranked in reality.

I don't follow your logic either as to why you mistrust the OP. Your reasons seem to be entirely subjective, and based on your other claims I have more faith in the OP than I do in you.
 
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#104
One Drop said:
I fail to see the relation between size (I assume that is what you mean by leading manufacturer) and quality. If the biggest manufacturer was also the highest quality one then China would surpass America, because since 2010 they have become the world's leading one, and have recently increased their lead over the U.S.

Do you have any citation for your second claim? According to any list I've seen the U.S. is not high up in stability, and it is far from being the most competitive. It also has a very high gap between rich and poor, and one of the worst of the large ones in terms of investement in and quality of infrastructure.

What you are tops in seems to be thinking you are the best and so maybe this is why so many Americans believe they have little to learn from elsewhere. Sorry for the high jack but people from other countries get very tired of hearing these claims constantly with no evidence and less veracity, and it's insulting to the ones who are higher ranked in reality.

I don't follow your logic either as to why you mistrust the OP. Your reasons seem to be entirely subjective, and based on your other claims I have more faith in the OP than I do in you.
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Whatever.
Edit: Had further comments that addressed China's success, but I deleted them for concern over breaking TB rules. That's is all. Have a nice day. :)
 
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#111
GreyBeard said:
To me, this is not poor quality but, poor quality control. The fact that the tags were not hanging and the plastic protectors were missing tells me that this item had been returned by another customer to MF and they tried to pawn it off on you instead of returning it to Fender. This is the chance you take with an online purchase.
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Yeah, accidents and mistakes happen, the job of QC is to ensure they don't go out the door a "first quality", that's what "factory seconds" are for.
 
#112
over the past 5 years ive purchased (all new):

  • fender am dlx jazz
  • fender am dlx p
  • fender am dlx dimension
  • fender am jaguar
  • dunable thunderclapper
  • ibanez sr5000

out of all of those the only issue i had wwas ith the sr5000 fretboard pulling away from the neck and it was the most expensive bass of the bunch. sweetwater was great as always and i had it returned/refunded within 2 days.

every major company has a chance to put out a dud once a while. all my fenders have been great with no issues whatsoever. ive also noticed that with each major brand you can usually 10 threads praising purchases for ever 1 expressing agitation - the negative threds just garner a lot more attenion.
 
#113
Stealth Fighter said:
Whatever.
Edit: Had further comments that addressed China's success, but I deleted them for concern over breaking TB rules. That's is all. Have a nice day. :)
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My point was precisely that there is no correlation between quality and size, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I don't admire China's success but that does not make it go away.

Since you seem to like to throw out unsubstantiated claims without supporting them ('whatever' doesn't exactly assume the burden of proof) I have nothing else to add.

You said: "Too much to post here. Try not to step on your national pride, on the way out."

As to national pride, whose exactly seems to be hurt here? You don't even know what my country of origin is, and I have no particular pride in either my country of birth or adoption. I do recognize facts when presented with them, on the other hand.

And why do you think I am going anywhere? Does it bother you to have someone remain here who questions the assumptions you so boldly put forward as fact? Why are you so insulting to the OP and myself? it's called discussion.

edited to add: I've just done some googling and have seen that the US has indeed surpassed China once again in size of the economy compared to the US. Sorry for the misinformation- I am capable of admitting I am wrong without insulting anyone. I still hold my ground about the rest.
 
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#114
Yes, a Fender and GC/MF Fail. They gotta get rid of the crappy one nobody wants somehow. It's not your fault just your turn. I would return it, and demand a new replacement. I had to do the same thing with my IEM's I purchased on a Fathers Day special from MF, only to find out the only thing special was that they sent me a returned item. No go, sent back and demanded a new one which took a little longer but you should get what you pay for period. If you have to wait a little longer, explain this to them, it got me a 25 dollar gift card. They might suck most of the time, but you can probably talk to someone in their customer service, then talk to the manager/service lead who hopefully isn't too much of a tool and will work with you. Best of luck with it all! (then they'll pack it up and send it to another unfortunate buyer o_O)
 
#115
My experience with MF has been mixed. You just need to know what you are getting into before you buy.

Examples: I bought a Stingray and a Sterling from MF. They were both perfect. I bought a MINT Eden 410xlt from MF. It was trashed. I mean trashed. It was covered in dog hair, had bald spots in the gorilla fur, and a blown speaker. They made it right, to my benefit. They also processed the return of my Geezer P pickup very quickly (it had a bad pot).
 
#116
I am sorry for your troubles, it's a pain in the neck.

I have the same exact bass which my wife bought me for my birthday back in May, I bought it from Sweetwater, I second their recommendation, so far in 4 years they have done great by me; I bought a Martin D-28 which had an issue with the nut and they sent a replacement right away without me sending the other back until I got the new one.

I don't know if this has been said already, but I think that particular bass is being discontinued, at least that's what my rep at Sweetwater told me. That may explain why MF sent one that seems to be a return, perhaps they can't get new ones any longer.

Good luck.
 
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#117
I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of the flaw we're discussing, not that I don't believe OP, but it would be a more graphic and profound representation of the issue at hand. And yes, for some, it may lend even more credibility to his claim and better illustrate the potential pitfalls of buying sight-unseen. It's so easy to snap and upload a pic, and so common for fellow TBers to request one, why would anyone balk at the suggestion?
 
#118
I had a similar situation with MF when I bought a Fender super Bassman 300. First was shutting off. Second was damaged. Third was perfect. I think in my case it had a lot to do with UPS. Since then I bought a GK Neo 4x12. And recentley two Orange OBC 4x10s. With both orders I requested they use Fed Ex. It takes an extra day or two since they only have Fed Ex pick ups twice a week. But they all arrived unblemished. You'd be surprised how much damge an angry driver could do. And sadly, UPS in philly is the absolute worst at drop off, pick ups and customer service. I would ask for an exchange and have them use Fed Ex. I can't garuantee its your best move, but it worked for me. I wanna dislike MF. Just because it's another big box and I do like supporting local businesses. But there are no good local shops to buy bass gear right now. And MF have only ever done right by me. Just my experince of course.
 
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One Drop said:
edited to add: I've just done some googling and have seen that the US has indeed surpassed China once again in size of the economy compared to the US. Sorry for the misinformation- I am capable of admitting I am wrong without insulting anyone. I still hold my ground about the rest.
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Yet, you still question my facts. Fine. We can agree to disagree. Have a nice day. :thumbsup:
 
#120
lemongrenades said:
I had a similar situation with MF when I bought a Fender super Bassman 300. First was shutting off. Second was damaged. Third was perfect. I think in my case it had a lot to do with UPS. Since then I bought a GK Neo 4x12. And recentley two Orange OBC 4x10s. With both orders I requested they use Fed Ex. It takes an extra day or two since they only have Fed Ex pick ups twice a week. But they all arrived unblemished. You'd be surprised how much damge an angry driver could do. And sadly, UPS in philly is the absolute worst at drop off, pick ups and customer service. I would ask for an exchange and have them use Fed Ex. I can't garuantee its your best move, but it worked for me. I wanna dislike MF. Just because it's another big box and I do like supporting local businesses. But there are no good local shops to buy bass gear right now. And MF have only ever done right by me. Just my experince of course.
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I ordered an iPhone once. When UPS delivered it, the box wasempty. UPS is terrible. When I have a choice, I don't use them.
 

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