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Only $2,000 to improve your amp's performance

#921
SFjonstarr said:
If you're going to promote yourself as a "mediocre bassist" why do you think I should even consider your opinion? Who cares? There's enough apathy to go around...
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I wasn't aware that I had asked you to consider my opinion at all.

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Unrelated to the above, but not worth another post:

Proposition - if ALL players used the hyper-expensive power cords, then that would be the new baseline for the average/typical sound. So, the reintroduction of the former, cheapo power cable would, based on the assumption that there is a discernible difference, be the 'new' "I can hear a difference so it must be better and would then go for huge $ (and a fancy "Vintage" tag) so stock up now.

P.S. nosce te ipsum
 
#922
If you're going to put it out there on a public forum it's a a form of advocacy. You can use as cheap of power cables as you can find. It doesn't mean you're not foolish for looking for a difference in sound in your power cable when your time would be better spent harvesting turnips.
 
#923
SFjonstarr said:
For $125 what more could you really ask for? I don't need something crazy, I just need you not to touch it. If you've ever looked at nice preamps you'd know that every component adds to the cost. Not having miniaturized components would add to the costs. Not having transformers on the inputs on the ins-outs cuts down the costs. I don't need my power cable to make up for the the fact that I don't practice. It just needs to be a power cable. A nice cable that I couldn't wire up myself is a practical luxury, but not necessary. I'm still glad I bought it...
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I'm an electrical engineer. A real one. I'll gladly make you as many robust power cables - that anyone would think twice about touching (if they lived after touching it, that is) - as you want for only $100 each. Sounds like a steal to me! ;)

For $125, I expect whatever I bought to actually do something. Maybe even something good - like a VT Bass pedal, or a nice tuner. I've not once, ever, in 23+ years of playing, I mean never, had a power cable come loose from the wall or my amp on a gig or in the studio. Can it happen? Sure, but hasn't to me yet.

I'm sure it's a nice product, and possibly worth a little more than your standard molded 16AWG power cable you buy at Best Buy, but I can make my own for $15 and 20 minutes of my time if I really want to go that route (and I don't).
 
#925
I was saying that it would be human error that pulled the plug from the outlet without reason. I went to sound engineering school and have the student loan debt to prove it. I'm saying that sound engineers that don't know what they're doing will start grabbing at whatever cable isn't bolted to the ground. And they won't think twice about it...
 
#929
SFjonstarr said:
I went to sound engineering school and have the student loan debt to prove it.
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If that school didn't teach you that power cords have absolutely no effect on the sound produced by the gear that they power then you got screwed not only on the price of that silly cable but also on the cost of your tuition. :crying:
 
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#930
So SF jonstar, Your point is it's possible to be perfectly happy with a very expensive power cable for reasons other than improving your sound. Am I right? Those reasons being: it looks pretty and is extra sturdy. And because you are willling to spend an extra buck: there must be others like you, so any company that's selling these things is making a sound business decision. Am I right?

IMHO You're overall argument is perfectly rational, but not more rational than anyone thinking it a bit silly to spend an extra 100 on a cable that does nothing for your sound.
What I don't understand is you're behaviour towards anyone who's reacting to the silly part. There's no ground to be this aggressive.
 
#932
Matthijs said:
So SF jonstar, Your point is it's possible to be perfectly happy with a very expensive power cable for reasons other than improving your sound. Am I right? Those reasons being: it looks pretty and is extra sturdy. And because you are willling to spend an extra buck: there must be others like you, so any company that's selling these things is making a sound business decision. Am I right?

IMHO You're overall argument is perfectly rational, but not more rational than anyone thinking it a bit silly to spend an extra 100 on a cable that does nothing for your sound.
What I don't understand is you're behaviour towards anyone who's reacting to the silly part. There's no ground to be this aggressive.
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Sort of what I was thinking : why so angry ? Buyer's remorse ?
 
#933
SFjonstarr said:
Fair enough...
It's just that paying extra for something to actually have better physical properties doesn't mean you disrespect the realities of electrical engineering.
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If you're buying it for the physical properties - you're getting ripped off, but it does have better physical properties than the average IEC power cord.

If you think the "physical properties" involve it moving electrons better - you're deluded.


SFjonstarr said:
Everyone with actual engineering experience seemed to be reacting emotionally against a good product just because the marketing was ill advised.
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Not "ill advised" - full of outright unscientific falsehoods.
 
#936
Come on you cable owners - post some sound clips, measurements, bind studies.

If you go to recording school you have to know how to record the difference.

Get some science on your side. Ah - never mind.
What am I doing back in this thread? :confused: :help:

Two helpful hints:
I find if I draw an arrow on my cables <-----> the elections have an easier time figuring out which way to to go, and my amp runs faster.

I sometimes send my cables off to exotic countries to get the electrons refreshed. Eventually domestic electrons take over again and I have to fly them off again for more refreshing. I heard I can keep my exotic electrons by using an isolation transformer.
 
#937
SFjonstarr said:
Honestly, I work in a commercial music studio that does voiceover and mixing for corporate television commercials and I can tell you that if you're not ignoring anything related to marketing or advertising that's put in front of you, you're not doing it right.
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Well … I guess you're not doing it right by your own standards then. ;)
 
#938
seamonkey said:
Two helpful hints:
I find if I draw an arrow on my cables <-----> the elections have an easier time figuring out which way to to go, and my amp runs faster.

I sometimes send my cables off to exotic countries to get the electrons refreshed. Eventually domestic electrons take over again and I have to fly them off again for more refreshing. I heard I can keep my exotic electrons by using an isolation transformer.
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As stupid as that sounds you'd be amazed how many seemingly rational people would buy into doing just that. Read this piffle:
http://www.audiosold.com/breakin_2.html

As to the real reason for the need for 'cable break in': to convince the sucker to keep his cables beyond the return period.

For the full snake-oil spiel:
http://www.audiosold.com/

There's more BS there than it takes to fertilize all of Nebraska's corn fields.
 

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