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Double Bass Orchestral Technique & Method Studies Thread

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A book that i was recommended to, and use, as an alternative/other view on the My First Simandl was Michael Moore's Bass Method. I've been working out of the book since September of last year [2005]. The book is great for a beginner that may be a bit older. Fit the bill quite nicely for me-i had been playing DB for 4 years, but never focused on technique so we're using it to teach me technique while forging the mental divide between bass guitar fingerings and DB. The book incorporates straight technique with etudes in both a jazz and classical style. Early in the book it thanks a teacher for teaching him the "Streicher" [sp?] Method. I have no idea what that means.

The only negative i have to say about the book is it seems like it could have been edited/proof read better. There's been several times [thinking around 5-10 so far and i'm on page 60 something] where something has been misnotated-a sharp will be missing in a scale, or something similar-not a ground breaking error or anything, just a few small things that have been missed. I dig how the book is set up.

Initially, it shows what position it is focusing on-rather than calling them 1/2 position, 1st, etc it calls them by the note names of i think the G string. The book then has you play the scales that fit well within that range, followed by doing triads, and then combining them to be triad plus scale. I like it.

take it easy.
 
neilG said:
I have it, use it, and my students use it. It's an exact transcription of the cello book. Basic left hand technique exercises, very dry, but nice and organized in one place.

does it have tons of double stops ?

(I'm asking about Grodner's An Organized Method of String Playing)
 
Dr Rod said:
does it have tons of double stops ?

(I'm asking about Grodner's An Organized Method of String Playing)

Yes, but you don't need the book for the exercise: pick two positions. Shift from one to the other, slurred, using every combination of double stop. For instance:

Half postion - Eb/Bb shift to fourth pos. G/D and back
Then Eb/Bb to G#/D
Eb/Bb to A/C#
Eb/Bb to G/C#
Eb/Bb to Ab/C

Then Half Pos. F/Ab Etc.

You can do this with postions close or far away and across strings. It's a great hand strengthener and really cements the tendency intonation within postions. You can also do this exercise in thumb postions.
 
neilG said:
Yes, but you don't need the book for the exercise

Thanks a lot Neil, I'll be doing those.

Now, is there anything else in that book that would make it worth buying? since I know how the double stops work.

Are those double stops what Starker/Grodner call "serial exercises"?
 
Dr Rod said:
Thanks a lot Neil, I'll be doing those.

Now, is there anything else in that book that would make it worth buying? since I know how the double stops work.

Are those double stops what Starker/Grodner call "serial
exercises"?

The book is worth having, IMO, in that it has a lot of basic exercises all in one place. Any advanced player is most likely already familiar with these types of things: trills, double stop trills, moving up and down the strings doing patterns in series (the serial exercises) across the strings, the double stop patterns. I think it's best for students who don't know exactly how to practice consistently. I never look at the book any more, but do the exercises regularly.
 
+1 Petracci Simplified Higher Technique
+1 Kreutzer

Billé 18 Studies is probably my favorite study book. Most of them are nicely melodic and only a few of them are the repetitive, scaley/arpeggio-y over and over type. I think it was out of print for a while but I'm pretty sure I saw it recently in the Lemur catalogue.
 
I've been playing through some of the study book: 'Tartini -The Art of Bowing- transcribed for Double Bass' (which is available from Lemure for $4). It's a 'theme and variations' book of studies, with 38 variations on the same theme throughout. I've just gone through the first few pages, but there's alot of good stuff there, and it forces you into akward areas.
 
I know I've mentioned this in other threads a few times, but it's worth mentioning again. Although I studied all these exercises in person with Jeff Bradetich, I know his DVD covers bass technique very well. These exercises in boil down bass technique to the essentials for producing a good tone, shifting, intonation, agility, etc. The video is called Double Bass Technique with Jeff Bradetich and it's availible from Shar Music (sharmusic.com) for $29.95. Get it!
 
Jake said:
KPO, that sounds interesting. Is it availible to buy? If so, where? Could you tell us more about that book?

Brevier des Kontrabassisten (compendium for double bass players) by Kurt B. Mochel

It's really "old-school" - the kind of "method book" that starts from open strings and just blasts ahead, but goes through some really good left-hand formations, esp. around 3rd and 4th position, what with matching open strings to stopped notes, etc.

The ancient copy I'm using shows that it was printed in Germany by B. Schott's Sohne.

A search at
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reveals... nothing. I think it's out of print.
 
KSB - Ken Smith said:
That's a Book I want in my collection. I need some 5-string method books to shed at home with my 5er. Also, I did mention the Zimmerman Bowing book but didn't spell it all out "and Contem. Bow Tech all by or edited by Zimmerman.".. Sorry, was typing alot of titles there in my opening post.
Hello Ken,
Have you looked at any cello rep? I don't have a specific suggestion, but their books will go down to low "C". Good luck!
 
-Dr. Morton's Scale Fingerings for the Double Bass
-Dr. Morton's Arpeggio Fingering for the Double Bass
-Dr. Morton's Torturous Exercises for the Double Bass

I'd recommend these 3 books as the basis of anyone's technique. I started out on Simandl. My progress was slow if any before I attended the American School of Double Bass. The Simandl etudes as you creep up the neck to me were rather bland. I have been playing for a little over 2 years now and feel like I am prepared to compete with other players my age. I am a Senior in high school.

Having the idea that you have to shift and you have to do this and you have to that was restriciting. When you put the idea that thumb position, four finger technique, and basic 1-2-4 simandl technique are equal and the basis of all your playing you get a sense of freedom. There has to be taught a system, otherwise you'd have too much freedom and would never have anything set in stone that you could trust. Using four finger technique is very hard on my hand since mine are rather small. Mr. Gale did a very good job on the Four Finger Technique book because he starts 4 finger technique in a place where most players can easily perform it. He then moves in half steps up, and down, to let you know where your limitations are. This is very key otherwise you might hurt your left hand and that's the thing we're totally trying to avoid. The Thumb position book is broken down into 3 basic hand positions that make thumb position something a little more tangible.

My bass teacher, Dr. Bill Scott at Western Kentucky University, has be do some other exercises. These exercises include a Progressive A Major Scale, Clark Thumb Drills (originally written for trumpet in 3 basic hand positions that resembles Mr. Gale's thumb position positions), Portimento Exercises, and things out of the Zimmerman Contemporary Concerpt of Bowing book. I trypically never practice etudes and focus on solo playing and orchestral excerpts. For my warm up I do all of Dr. Scott's exercises, Dr. Morton's scales in a random key for intonation and tonal center, Dr. Morton's arpeggios for the corresponding key, and sometimes a torturous exercise. That alone can take an hour but that in itself adds to the stamina in my hand, the agility in thumb position (clark drills) and neck register (progressive scale). Then I get to practicing the other stuff that I have to get to.

I found that those books connecting not as the word that you have to do but more as guidelines to your overall technique has allowed me to make my own way of playing. Custom tailoring to myself.

I need to look at more stuff involving my bow....most of those things were meant for the left hand.

I hope that helped shed some light on the Mysterious Dr. Morton and Tom Gale. I have heard things saying Dr. Morton makes the entire Columbus Symphony play in 4 finger technique though. Perposterous. I'd recommend the week long camp he does in the summer. I've been there twice and they were both 2 of the best weeks of my life.
 
thumpybones said:
Hello Ken,
Have you looked at any cello rep? I don't have a specific suggestion, but their books will go down to low "C". Good luck!

I don't have any Cello books but all the Beethovan, Mozart and Vivaldi music I have played says Cello-Bass at the top.

I think you quoted an old post of mine as I don't have the 5er here anymore. I put it up for sale in favor of playing my older Basses with a chromatic C extension.

Still, I think playing Bass Repertoire in the excerpt books is about the closest thing to a method book and you actually get to play the exact parts.
 
I am studying a Swedish book called "Kontrabas Skola" (Upright bass school) by Knut Gullbrandsson. It's about 80-90 pages long and it covers almost everything from the most basic stuff to solo playing. It's divided into two parts, the second one being the solo technique studies. it's great if you're a beginner or even if you've played for a while. Don't know if it's availible abroad , though :hmm: I also have the Simandl - 30 etudes that Ken mentioned...
 
hi all,

my recommendation is a dvd by francois rabbath (i'm not sure anybody has mentioned it here, cause the thread is getting really large)
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this instructional dvd gives an in depth look at the different bowing styles. very very good stuff.

he's also working on a new dvd about left hand technique.

cheers
steffen

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