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Overdrives... again

Basically what I am learning here is that I need something with a blend and tone shaping?

That's a big part of it. Distortion does two big things to your tone; it adds presence and treble artifacts from squaring waves, and it loses bass, because the peak levels of your fundamental bass frequency are getting limited/compressed by the clipping. A wet-dry blend gives you back some of that low end, while post-clipping tone controls will give you more ability to roll back the fuzzy aggressive highs.

Could/should I only run my current Big Muff and tone shape with my Sansamp and amp?

Plenty have bassists have done so before. The only problem you're going to have is that tone-shaping to make the fuzz sound good is going to do funny things to your clean tone when you turn the fuzz off. I recommend that if you're going to use the Big Muff you have, you look for an EQ pedal that you can turn on and off with the fuzz, so the more extreme tone-shaping you do to control the fuzz with the EQ doesn't affect your clean tone.

The advantage of a pedal like the DBBMP, Alpha-Omega Ultra, Microtubes Ultra etc. is that you get everything you need to craft your dirt tone in one enclosure, with one power input, one input/output and one switch to turn it on and off, simplifying your pedal board. But, there's a value in the modular approach as well, being able to choose the specific dirt and EQ circuits you want to use instead of accepting whatever someone mashed together (not to mention using things you already have instead of buying them again in a different enclosure).

Whatever you decide, don't worry too much about getting an XLR out and not using it. The DBBMP has one, I don't use it and I don't feel I wasted my money. Little trade secret, an impedance-balanced XLR out is really cheap to make and therefore to include in an effects pedal as a "value-added" thing. They are cool to have handy, but if you end up not needing it, don't sweat it.
 
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That's a big part of it. Distortion does two big things to your tone; it adds presence and treble artifacts from squaring waves, and it loses bass, because the peak levels of your fundamental bass frequency are getting limited/compressed by the clipping. A wet-dry blend gives you back some of that low end, while post-clipping tone controls will give you more ability to roll back the fuzzy aggressive highs.



Plenty have bassists have done so before. The only problem you're going to have is that tone-shaping to make the fuzz sound good is going to do funny things to your clean tone when you turn the fuzz off. I recommend that if you're going to use the Big Muff you have, you look for an EQ pedal that you can turn on and off with the fuzz, so the more extreme tone-shaping you do to control the fuzz with the EQ doesn't affect your clean tone.

The advantage of a pedal like the DBBMP, Alpha-Omega Ultra, Microtubes Ultra etc. is that you get everything you need to craft your dirt tone in one enclosure, with one power input, one input/output and one switch to turn it on and off, simplifying your pedal board. But, there's a value in the modular approach as well, being able to choose the specific dirt and EQ circuits you want to use instead of accepting whatever someone mashed together (not to mention using things you already have instead of buying them again in a different enclosure).

Whatever you decide, don't worry too much about getting an XLR out and not using it. The DBBMP has one, I don't use it and I don't feel I wasted my money. Little trade secret, an impedance-balanced XLR out is really cheap to make and therefore to include in an effects pedal as a "value-added" thing. They are cool to have handy, but if you end up not needing it, don't sweat it.


Thanks again for the detailed post! I am learning more and more about OD/distortion vs fuzz. I have checked out basically all the pedals people have shared on here. I like the idea of some of the bigger pedals that have everything included, I just dont like the price tag!! I am not looking for cheap equipment but it also has to be reasonable for me. With that being said, would it make sense to get an EQ and an OD pedal, then run the EQ before to use with the OD or Fuzz as needed. The SanAmp would then be used for my clean?

I am looking for something that is easy to work with and that I am not going to have to try to turn and resell. I am already trying to resell my DOD 250, DOD Boneshaker, Mini Wah, and BSF to pay for whatever I decide.

Now I am not sure I am sold on the Darkglass stuff with all of the other pedals that have been suggested!

Thank you again!
 
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I like the idea of some of the bigger pedals that have everything included, I just dont like the price tag!! I am not looking for cheap equipment but it also has to be reasonable for me. With that being said, would it make sense to get an EQ and an OD pedal, then run the EQ before to use with the OD or Fuzz as needed. The SanAmp would then be used for my clean?

That is the basic idea. Try them in either order - EQ into OD and OD into EQ - because the EQ will do different things based on the order in the signal chain. EQ before dirt allows you to shape what's being distorted, which can bring new flavors of distortion out of a single pedal. But remember that the distortion will add treble, and on bass guitar that can be bad, so if you want to control that the EQ needs to come after the dirt pedal.

As for an affordable EQ, there are a lot of options. The standard for decades has been Boss's GE-7 and GEB-7; there's a little difference in frequency selection between them, but either should work well in your application (in fact you might choose the guitar version for this, because you're likely going to be trying to tame specific high mid and presence frequencies in the distorted tone). They're not terribly expensive especially used (~$65-$70 in good condition) and like all Boss pedals you could roll a tank over em and they'd still work. Danelectro's Fish & Chips is considerably less durable, but you can pick one of these up for $25 if you're patient or a good negotiator, and the circuit inside the plastic case is a good one.
 
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That is the basic idea. Try them in either order - EQ into OD and OD into EQ - because the EQ will do different things based on the order in the signal chain. EQ before dirt allows you to shape what's being distorted, which can bring new flavors of distortion out of a single pedal. But remember that the distortion will add treble, and on bass guitar that can be bad, so if you want to control that the EQ needs to come after the dirt pedal.

As for an affordable EQ, there are a lot of options. The standard for decades has been Boss's GE-7 and GEB-7; there's a little difference in frequency selection between them, but either should work well in your application (in fact you might choose the guitar version for this, because you're likely going to be trying to tame specific high mid and presence frequencies in the distorted tone). They're not terribly expensive especially used (~$65-$70 in good condition) and like all Boss pedals you could roll a tank over em and they'd still work. Danelectro's Fish & Chips is considerably less durable, but you can pick one of these up for $25 if you're patient or a good negotiator, and the circuit inside the plastic case is a good one.


I am too indecisive! So I am looking at either A. The Big Muff Deluxe. It would free up space on my board, seems to do most anything I would need and its only around $130 new. B. A decent OD and the Danelectro EQ. I am not hard on my pedals so durability is not an issue. C. Use one of my current ODs and same deal with the EQ.
 
If you want an overdrive that's not over the top, check out some of these pedals.

ehx hot wax
fuzzrocious dark driving
joyo american sound
source audio aftershock

I would recommend the source audio aftershock since you can pretty much create any drive you desire. from warm subtle overdrives to extreme sounding distortions.
Love my Dark Driving!!
 

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