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Overrated bass players
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Bass Guitar is not about racing. Or any other instrument. Depends what you think when you say overrated. Usually, what happens, is that a face and image become more popular than the music of the person.
So whatever that face do - it's golden. Even a crap.
It's hard to be famous, and not overrated....
Beep!
So whatever that face do - it's golden. Even a crap.
It's hard to be famous, and not overrated....
Beep!
I have the UTMOST resect for Adam Clayton, he never overplays and he is solid, I gained ALOT of respect for Adam and Larry they are very tight and seem to really drive the rythym with conviction.
Larry to me is an awesome drummer, he seems to ONLY care about the song and the drumming IN the song.. he leaves the "showboating" to Bono .. and Adam seems to be of that same mindset.. gotta respect that.. the music/song comes first.
Larry to me is an awesome drummer, he seems to ONLY care about the song and the drumming IN the song.. he leaves the "showboating" to Bono .. and Adam seems to be of that same mindset.. gotta respect that.. the music/song comes first.
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There's a lot of "this person is overrated because I don't like their music". Doesn't count, armchair captains.
-Mark
Me...yes thats right me. I'm an overrated bass player. Why? Because my wife always says, "wow that sounds great", or "wow you are getting so much better" trust me, I'm not. She lies. I like it that way. LOL 
I always feel uncomfortable when people compliment my playing thoughts start to run through my head, are they lying? am i good? just repeatedly kinda unnerving.
Seconded. I don't care how fast you can run through modes, pentatonics, double-thump riffs... If I play that for the average music consumer, they're going to get bored of it in 30 seconds.
The average music consumers are morons! They wouldn't know talent if it kissed them square on the lips!
Krügmeister;6334417 said:
I'm finally starting to dig that rhythm section. All about the song. Too bad I still don't like any of U2's songs.
Well I just saw that someone thought that Cliff sucked and that Jason was the best bassist that Metallica has had. ***??? Was this Guy thinking???
Jason Is overated in my humble opinion.
Jason Is overated in my humble opinion.
Over rated bassists? I'll probably offend some people here, but this is my honest view:
Les Claypool - Awful tone, hate his style of playing, NOTHING I have heard by him has been to my tastes. He may be technically good, but I don't like it.
Cliff Burton - Never got why everyone loved him so much? I'd say Geddy Lee and Chris Squire had already helped to bring bass to the fore. In my eyes all he did was make his bass sound like a guitar. He was, however, a good composer, but then many bassists are good composers and don't get anything like the credit he does.
Fieldy - As said above, plus his tone sucks.
That concludes my view. No offence meant to anyone, it's my honest view.
Les Claypool - Awful tone, hate his style of playing, NOTHING I have heard by him has been to my tastes. He may be technically good, but I don't like it.
Cliff Burton - Never got why everyone loved him so much? I'd say Geddy Lee and Chris Squire had already helped to bring bass to the fore. In my eyes all he did was make his bass sound like a guitar. He was, however, a good composer, but then many bassists are good composers and don't get anything like the credit he does.
Fieldy - As said above, plus his tone sucks.
That concludes my view. No offence meant to anyone, it's my honest view.
I'm not going to start a fight in any way here.
You have the fullest right to state your opinion, we can't all like Cliff Burton.
I am a Cliff Burton fan but I actually agree with you and the most things you say.
But I think the comparison to Geddy Lee and Chris Squire is invalid.
I like Geddy and Chris and respect them a lot, and I agree those guys are heroes when it comes to give the bass a respected place in music.
But different music styles.
Cliff did his part for 80's trashmetal. That's why he is mentioned so much as an influential bassist for metal.
And I agree with you that he is more thought of as a composer and the creative mind behind good old Metallica.
Bass sounding like a guitar, I can't argu with that. But some people see nothing wrong with that. Who is to claim that distortion is a signature sound for guitar and that bassists can't use it? Just a philosophical thought.
Off course it are mainly metalheads (like myself) who worship Cliff, because I don't care if that awesome speedmetal solo on mindmelting distortion is coming from a guitar, bass, keyboard, mandoline, lute, ukulele or whatever.
Mostly it's just Anesthesia that get's linked to Cliff Burton.
But he was also a fine bassist in the "pure" sense of the way, but it never shined through that much.
He did practice his instrument a lot and was really devoted to the bass guitar.
Imagine if he was still alive and used his talent perhaps even for softer kind of music. No doubt he would've get more respect from a wider variety of bassists.
So I kind of agree with you, perhaps overrated as a bassist.
But underrated as a composer, underrated as a great creative mind for metal music.
To me Cliff is still the guy why I picked up bass, and I'll always think highly of him because of the forementioned reasons.
Just my view on it. I respect your opinion.
I'm not going to start a fight in any way here.
You have the fullest right to state your opinion, we can't all like Cliff Burton.
I am a Cliff Burton fan but I actually agree with you and the most things you say.
But I think the comparison to Geddy Lee and Chris Squire is invalid.
I like Geddy and Chris and respect them a lot, and I agree those guys are heroes when it comes to give the bass a respected place in music.
But different music styles.
Cliff did his part for 80's trashmetal. That's why he is mentioned so much as an influential bassist for metal.
And I agree with you that he is more thought of as a composer and the creative mind behind good old Metallica.
Bass sounding like a guitar, I can't argu with that. But some people see nothing wrong with that. Who is to claim that distortion is a signature sound for guitar and that bassists can't use it? Just a philosophical thought.
Off course it are mainly metalheads (like myself) who worship Cliff, because I don't care if that awesome speedmetal solo on mindmelting distortion is coming from a guitar, bass, keyboard, mandoline, lute, ukulele or whatever.
Mostly it's just Anesthesia that get's linked to Cliff Burton.
But he was also a fine bassist in the "pure" sense of the way, but it never shined through that much.
He did practice his instrument a lot and was really devoted to the bass guitar.
Imagine if he was still alive and used his talent perhaps even for softer kind of music. No doubt he would've get more respect from a wider variety of bassists.
So I kind of agree with you, perhaps overrated as a bassist.
But underrated as a composer, underrated as a great creative mind for metal music.
To me Cliff is still the guy why I picked up bass, and I'll always think highly of him because of the forementioned reasons.
Just my view on it. I respect your opinion.
Well, I even find myself in distortion drenched solos sometimes....and there's only one place that influence has come from. So he has influenced me. But what I truly prefer in a metal bassist is what Newsted does.....sticks with the guitars, and makes it HEAVY. Beefs it out and gives it some balls. That's what metal bass playing is all about for me. If I play rock or metal, I don't try and be flash. I just stick with the guitars, and add fills where needed. So Newsted, to me, is the bassist I prefer most with Metallica, and they produced my favourite 'tallica material with him in the band......Black Album, Load, and Reload. I know many will disagree with me on that, but that is my honest view. Those albums have some of the heaviest metal I've heard on them.
I started a thread a couple of days ago in the effects forum about the issue of using distortion on bass in metal music.
I was an avid user of distortion in my first years of playing (due to Cliff), but now I like a clean bass tone for metal music. I let the guitars handle the distortion now.
Okay, respecting your opinion off course, no need to start a fight.
But IMO Black Album, Load and Reload are no metal albums whatsoever. I like those albums a lot, but to me there is no aspect to them that make them metal. Good rock albums though.
I have great respect for Jason. He is a kickass bassist. But he will not be thought of as a metal bassist (IMO). A great rock bassist.
I know there is a fine line between rock and metal and this has been discussed 'til the cows came home, but 90s Metallica to me has nothing to do with metal (IMO). Not that I don't like that era.
I started a thread a couple of days ago in the effects forum about the issue of using distortion on bass in metal music.
I was an avid user of distortion in my first years of playing (due to Cliff), but now I like a clean bass tone for metal music. I let the guitars handle the distortion now.
Okay, respecting your opinion off course, no need to start a fight.
But IMO Black Album, Load and Reload are no metal albums whatsoever. I like those albums a lot, but to me there is no aspect to them that make them metal. Good rock albums though.
I have great respect for Jason. He is a kickass bassist. But he will not be thought of as a metal bassist (IMO). A great rock bassist.
I know there is a fine line between rock and metal and this has been discussed 'til the cows came home, but 90s Metallica to me has nothing to do with metal (IMO). Not that I don't like that era.
Which is heavier though? The rock, or the metal? I'd say Sad But True steam rollers anything before it in terms of heaviness....
[IMO]
It's not that heavier means more metal. There is rock music that is very heavy.
I don't find Sad But True heavy. It's more darker bluesier kind of hard rock to me.
It's hasn't got that agressive edge of metal to me. Not as fast or complex like the music from their albums in the 80s.
And beside from Metallica there are a lot more bands that are "heavier".
[/IMO]
But this is a very touchy subject.
I've seen threads were it turned pretty ugly about the different viewpoints.
Let's agree to disagree.
[IMO]
It's not that heavier means more metal. There is rock music that is very heavy.
I don't find Sad But True heavy. It's more darker bluesier kind of hard rock to me.
It's hasn't got that agressive edge of metal to me. Not as fast or complex like the music from their albums in the 80s.
And beside from Metallica there are a lot more bands that are "heavier".
[/IMO]
But this is a very touchy subject.
I've seen threads were it turned pretty ugly about the different viewpoints.
Let's agree to disagree.
It all depends what you view as heavy. Heavy to me is deep, chugging, riffage.
Moving off the MC train...
Why exactly is Wooten overrated?
I'm assuming that you can back this up with something
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