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What's the deal with P basses in particular making it into every corner of music while being so clearly limited? I understand the need for a thumpy, vintage tone sometimes, but a PJ will do it just as well while allowing for far more sounds outside of that niche in my opinion. Especially just going through a DI, which I tend to do in the vast majority of cases (I feel much more aware of my playing and volume when I get out what I put in), the pickup in post '57 P basses, especially by itself, feels restrictive, insensitive, and generally counterintuitive.

To be clear, my issue is not with the pickup on its own, as touched on before. In fact, reverse P pickups, especially when used in PJ configurations, are among my favorite pickups I've used. The problem lies in the standard P pickup and the fact that, on a normal P bass, that's all you get. The bass side being closer to the neck means a thumpy, muddy, tone- and the opposite for the treble side, having plenty of snap thanks to being closer to the bridge. Sounds great until you realize that that's ALL IT DOES.

Getting snap out of the bottom end is near impossible, even with the tone cranked, and the high end is crispy and bright all of the time (though somehow is not sensitive at all to light touch or strumming). It seems as if the whole point of the split-coil is to force extremes out of the bass all of the time, which may not be noticeable through preamps and pedals and such but is glaringly obvious through DI. And to seal it all off, you've got to play a log of a neck with strangely wide string spacing, making it even harder to be articulate than it already was.

Again, a reverse P sounds great. A reverse P sounds balanced. A PJ sounds balanced, reversed or not. I am sincerely wondering, why would you choose to spend considerable money on such a flawed and limited bass when reverse P and PJ basses are available for the same price with far more room for tone adaptation and the ability to produce the vintage sound that so many people say they look for in a P bass? I will gladly give the P a second chance if you can explain to me any actual benefit to owning one, and of course I'll be sure to look for what you bring up when I give it that chance, but I just really can't see the point.
 
Sounds like a beast! I find the fretboard edges roll pretty quickly where I need it anyway on my basses, maybe due to sweat or something like that, so the Bacchus reads as a great choice in my book. Might have to put money into one once i finish up my current project, especially if it's reasonably priced for what you get.
Looking at one on Reverb right now- 300 bucks is very solid, and I love the neck pocket- like I said earlier, i like having an easier upper register reach as well
 
I do also agree that Squier does a whole lot for the price, I've played a squier J on and off for 5-6 years now, and it's beat up and has its issues, but still sounds just as good as fenders I've played. Seems to lack longevity to a point (lots of finish cracking/chipping, wires disconnecting, tuning pegs coming loose, neck wearing down under my hands (~2mm as shown by the skunk stripe jut-out, haha) etc. which is sort of strange for a relatively thick finish like it has on the body and neck (the electronic issues are somewhat expected), but I've put it through hell over the years in term of gigging and playstyle, so I can't expect too much. Sound stays fantastic, though. Guess a lot of money goes to the name on the headstock in the end, though, as I've seen similarly heavily played fenders have the same issues, even if they show in slightly different ways.
All the 2008-2018 China made Squier Classic vibe bass i been own and currently own just flawless ! Far better than 4 unit Player bass i been own from 2019-2024.

I also own 5 indonesian CV50P and FSR70P , sorry to say, truly disappointed ...

I also side by side compare Charvel Pro mod PJ with Fender Player PJ and Sadowsky Metro express PJ .
Charvel has something i looking for PJ bass . Before fully mod to passive , honestly, the passive mode sound boring and active sound too clicking without heft and weight that Dimarzio MOdel PJ pickup should .
Once mod fully passive with A500K volume / MN250K blend pot and a set EB Cobalt flat loaded , just blowing me ! Blend pickup sound from Charvel make me instantly let go my 2 trusted bacchus Jbass without regret. She nail the PJ name , P bass ( single pickup voice ) and Jazz bass ( dual pickup voice ) in one bass.
 
All the 2008-2018 China made Squier Classic vibe bass i been own and currently own just flawless ! Far better than 4 unit Player bass i been own from 2019-2024.

I also own 5 indonesian CV50P and FSR70P , sorry to say, truly disappointed ...

I also side by side compare Charvel Pro mod PJ with Fender Player PJ and Sadowsky Metro express PJ .
Charvel has something i looking for PJ bass . Before fully mod to passive , honestly, the passive mode sound boring and active sound too clicking without heft and weight that Dimarzio MOdel PJ pickup should .
Once mod fully passive with A500K volume / MN250K blend pot and a set EB Cobalt flat loaded , just blowing me ! Blend pickup sound from Charvel make me instantly let go my 2 trusted bacchus Jbass without regret. She nail the PJ name , P bass ( single pickup voice ) and Jazz bass ( dual pickup voice ) in one bass.
Sounds great! For all i talk about versatility, passive/active never sounded that great to me either. Pick one, at that point. Love Cobalt strings, too. I don't have much luck finding Charvel stuff near me, but I'll try to find some next time I'm out
 
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Fair enough. I kind of aimed to do that, as I seriously wanted to know what it's about, but it's good to know that it doesn't really matter to producers or sound engineers in most cases. Thanks!
yeah, I would never crap on P basses, lots of recordings have been done with one of course, but it's hardly the only bass that works in a session by any means, and it's hardly the only bass that ever was recorded on a hit. Think of the following players and the music they are associated with.
Marcus Miller
Jaco Pastorius
Steve Bailey
John Paul Jones
Geddy Lee
Noel Redding
Aston "Family Man" Barrett
Jerry Jemmott
Flea
Larry Graham
David Hood (Muscle Shoals)
Joe Osborn
Paul McCartney
Bobby Vega
Dee Murray

and the list can/does go on ... and these are just the Jazz Bass players, there are all kinds of basses that work great besides a Precision.
 
The P bass is really well designed and engineered. AK-47, Jeans, Toyota Hi-lux, your grandads 50yr old mallet in your dad’s toolbox: they are all easily replicated, repaired, improved if you want, but they work in basically any situation reliably and predictably. You see it in all industries, but if you think about bass guitars; even the ‘big ones’ that people love like Ric 4003 common issues, Gibson basses with 3-point bridges etc, the list goes on. Most other ‘alternatives’ over the decades end up stumbling due to not fully surpassing the P for well engineered/designed, reliable, consistent etc. Even though they sound great. I bought a Babicz FCH bridge last year and tried it on my Fender Am Series P and it lost a lot of mojo. The Babicz was a phenominally innovative bit of design and definitely an ‘optimised’ thing, But interestingly it seemed even the ‘boring/simple’ bent plate bridge was ideal BECAUSE it lost frequencies instead of transferring absolutely everything. Not to mention the commonly mentioned ‘self mixing’ quality of the humble split P pickup which sits perfectly frequency-wise in between our other canon pop-music instruments as well as the ears of listeners. Its not that other basses cant do it. Its that they cant do it so effortlessly. What’s actually remarkable is that Leo Fender developed all this stuff, landing basically perfectly every time. He didnt even play did he?
 
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This is preferable to fiddling with knobs.

Different, not necessarily better. Knobs on a bass mean you don't need to walk over to an amp or a DI. If you spend all your time twiddling amp or pedal knobs the simplicity of the P has bought you nothing, and some people will absolutely do that - like me. And you can still use all the differences in technique you like.

I'd like a bass with repositionable pickups or 4 or 5 coils I can use however I like; the pickup selector is one of the best parts of my Stingray Special HH, and I really like using the big knurled blend knob on my Mercalli 4. Some of that is simple design - the pickup blend knob on my Ibanez SR has a bit too much resistance and finding the detent takes a more subtle touch than I'd like to use between passages. Also, that bass has big singles rather than splits so only the middle position is hum cancelling. Those singles sound pretty fantastic though, and I wouldn't change them.

I've had some single pickup P's and using them tended to push me further into pedalboard hell than my more complex basses. I wouldn't mind having a simple P like bass to set up in d standard or drop c, though, but it doesn't need to be a fender p specifically, and a soapbar with a split pickup would suit me just fine. Hell, a double P like the woodrite Graver might suit for that just fine.

Some of the mythological perfection of the fender P reminds me of the mythological perfection synth heads have for the minimoog. It's just a flavor, and we have all sorts of other flavors available now. In fact, if a large number of artists have used a particular flavor, that's a really good reason to use other flavors - for some of us, anyway.
 
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I would like to know how you would get more out of a p bass- even really pushing through the strings on something like "Dam that River"- where, admittedly, it did have more intensity, that balance problem still got me. Maybe I do need to work on that, and if you could give me any advisory there that would be amazing.

I am probably not the best to explain but let me try.

Learn different plugging techniques (thumb or fingers), different positions, different EQing, play with a pick, palm muting.and any combination of those things.

Even when plugging with middle and index fingers you can create different sounds and feel just by the angle you hit the strings.
 
One of my P, no muddy no boomy, just crispy grind !
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another P , warmth round clean P vibe without laid back tone.
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another P also, woody P vibe , muddy ??? Hmmm.......
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here is the Charvel PJ stock Dimarzio DP126 with reverse P pickup . I sold all my Jazz bass once i mod this Charvel PJ fully passive. No regret !
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Great tones!

What strings are you using on the third (woody) one?
 
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Its a bit like saying the Cello/Violin/Trumpet are one trick ponies. Most traditional instruments make one sound, the right sound.
People keep making this argument, but being acoustic vs electric instruments violins have far fewer limitations in how you can shape the sound despite their simplicity. I was more wondering what people like about it and how I can make it work better for me.
 
I am probably not the best to explain but let me try.

Learn different plugging techniques (thumb or fingers), different positions, different EQing, play with a pick, palm muting.and any combination of those things.

Even when plugging with middle and index fingers you can create different sounds and feel just by the angle you hit the strings.
Yeah, that's true. Based on other comments the reason that wasn't really doing much for me was the setup and pickup height, so it wasn't really a problem with my playing. I didn't get to try a pick, and I'm sure that will make a considerable difference, but I need to fix the setup on the one I've been playing.
 
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