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What's the deal with P basses in particular making it into every corner of music while being so clearly limited? I understand the need for a thumpy, vintage tone sometimes, but a PJ will do it just as well while allowing for far more sounds outside of that niche in my opinion. Especially just going through a DI, which I tend to do in the vast majority of cases (I feel much more aware of my playing and volume when I get out what I put in), the pickup in post '57 P basses, especially by itself, feels restrictive, insensitive, and generally counterintuitive.

To be clear, my issue is not with the pickup on its own, as touched on before. In fact, reverse P pickups, especially when used in PJ configurations, are among my favorite pickups I've used. The problem lies in the standard P pickup and the fact that, on a normal P bass, that's all you get. The bass side being closer to the neck means a thumpy, muddy, tone- and the opposite for the treble side, having plenty of snap thanks to being closer to the bridge. Sounds great until you realize that that's ALL IT DOES.

Getting snap out of the bottom end is near impossible, even with the tone cranked, and the high end is crispy and bright all of the time (though somehow is not sensitive at all to light touch or strumming). It seems as if the whole point of the split-coil is to force extremes out of the bass all of the time, which may not be noticeable through preamps and pedals and such but is glaringly obvious through DI. And to seal it all off, you've got to play a log of a neck with strangely wide string spacing, making it even harder to be articulate than it already was.

Again, a reverse P sounds great. A reverse P sounds balanced. A PJ sounds balanced, reversed or not. I am sincerely wondering, why would you choose to spend considerable money on such a flawed and limited bass when reverse P and PJ basses are available for the same price with far more room for tone adaptation and the ability to produce the vintage sound that so many people say they look for in a P bass? I will gladly give the P a second chance if you can explain to me any actual benefit to owning one, and of course I'll be sure to look for what you bring up when I give it that chance, but I just really can't see the point.
 
Start with strings. Just moving from aggressive rounds like Rotosounds to mellow flats makes a world of difference.

Use a pick instead of fingers. Palm mute and pluck with your thumb.

Switch from the stock pickup to a DiMarzio Model P or a Duncan Quarter Pounder which is an easily reversed mod.

Use a Sadowsky preamp pedal to get additional tone shaping.
That's what I've heard, but a preamp pedal would be cool. Thanks!
 
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Nope. I have owned 6 string basses, 5 string basses, modern 4 string basses, all with 24 frets.. The thing is, its a bass. 3 octaves above the low E is is no place for a bass player to be.
They might have cheated you. Are you sure you got those last four frets on your high strings, that they actually work?

I remember testing every car I bought until I reached perhaps age 30 to see how fast it could go. After 30 I didn't care to find out anymore. I would say that's my philosophy on the upper frets or fret positions on fretless now too. I know they work, I've been there to make sure, but I don't care to go there, as a matter of choice.
 
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What's the deal with P basses in particular making it into every corner of music while being so clearly limited? I understand the need for a thumpy, vintage tone sometimes, but a PJ will do it just as well while allowing for far more sounds outside of that niche in my opinion. Especially just going through a DI, which I tend to do in the vast majority of cases (I feel much more aware of my playing and volume when I get out what I put in), the pickup in post '57 P basses, especially by itself, feels restrictive, insensitive, and generally counterintuitive.

To be clear, my issue is not with the pickup on its own, as touched on before. In fact, reverse P pickups, especially when used in PJ configurations, are among my favorite pickups I've used. The problem lies in the standard P pickup and the fact that, on a normal P bass, that's all you get. The bass side being closer to the neck means a thumpy, muddy, tone- and the opposite for the treble side, having plenty of snap thanks to being closer to the bridge. Sounds great until you realize that that's ALL IT DOES.

Getting snap out of the bottom end is near impossible, even with the tone cranked, and the high end is crispy and bright all of the time (though somehow is not sensitive at all to light touch or strumming). It seems as if the whole point of the split-coil is to force extremes out of the bass all of the time, which may not be noticeable through preamps and pedals and such but is glaringly obvious through DI. And to seal it all off, you've got to play a log of a neck with strangely wide string spacing, making it even harder to be articulate than it already was.

Again, a reverse P sounds great. A reverse P sounds balanced. A PJ sounds balanced, reversed or not. I am sincerely wondering, why would you choose to spend considerable money on such a flawed and limited bass when reverse P and PJ basses are available for the same price with far more room for tone adaptation and the ability to produce the vintage sound that so many people say they look for in a P bass? I will gladly give the P a second chance if you can explain to me any actual benefit to owning one, and of course I'll be sure to look for what you bring up when I give it that chance, but I just really can't see the point.
It is about personal taste, needs for Music playing, Bias, perceptions etc.

There is no point so to speak

Some are happy with a 6 string with 4 band EQ and 2/3 pickups some very content with Fender 50's single coil P

I played Fender P from 1975 to 2011 mostly in Cover bands: playing mostly some form of classic rock(even when new)🙂

thousands of gigs and songs with technique and smart eq always had tone that worked both for me,music and Band

When I joined a Band doing 80's New Wave along with 90's progressive and a few 2k pop songs

Best I could get with P using technique and eq was just acceptable

So bought EBMM 4H 25th Anniversary (aka Reflex) and worked out for me

Also had Fender Ultra P (p/j) for awhile now have Stingray Special 4H I seem to gravitate to one pickup basses🙃
 
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I'm sick of these analogies
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This is like calling a bicycle flawed due to its simplicity.
Analogy free translation:

This is like calling a bass design that has been around since the 50's that has been widely accepted, used, desired, and imitated flawed due to its simplicity.
 
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Analogy free translation:

This is like calling a bass design that has been around since the 50's that has been widely accepted, used, desired, and imitated flawed due to its simplicity.
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...and past the fact that their and your explanations here didn't do much more than just saying "it makes the right noise", that wasn't really what I was looking for in the first place. More wondering what you like about the sound and what other options and benefits it has. Found answers from others here though.
 
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...and past the fact that their and your explanations here didn't do much more than just saying "it makes the right noise", that wasn't really what I was looking for in the first place. More wondering what you like about the sound and what other options and benefits it has. Found answers from others here though.
+ if you could buy a bike with more features for the same price, wouldn't you?
 
For me, a P-Bass is simply the perfect instrument. Not because someone on a forum said so, but because it is perfectly suited to the styles I play. This is my experience from the nearly 40 years I have been playing. Years during which I have also tried out a wide variety of other models. I have always found myself coming back to the P-Bass.
Many bassists feel it just isn’t versatile but I don’t know how you could actually believe that with all the genres it covers.
 
What downsides? It is a great bass, and more than suitable for all sort of creative music endeavors. That is not to state that other basses aren't good, great, or excellent at many things-just that the P bass is usually more than enough to produce a great and diverse musical result.
 
I bought a PBass in October 2025 for my first (and so far only) bass, and I didn’t even consider anything else. A PBass sounds and looks the way a bass should to me. It always sits well in the mix and its sound is the sound I’ve heard on so many records over the years. One of my favorite quotes is ‘The PBass may not always be the best choice, but it’s never the wrong choice.’

I don’t find it to be too thumpy personally and I don’t need more versatility than what is available with the volume and tone knob and the responsiveness to hand position. Maybe I’m just still a noobie, which is very true, but I’ve never felt like my PBass was lacking anything that I had to have. The music I play definitely runs squarely in the ‘roots’ category though, Rock & Roll, Country, Blues, R&B, and Soul type stuff.

Different strokes for different folks, but if I was only going to have one bass, for the kind of music I play, it was definitely going to be a Precision.
 
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What's the deal with P basses in particular making it into every corner of music while being so clearly limited? I understand the need for a thumpy, vintage tone sometimes, but a PJ will do it just as well while allowing for far more sounds outside of that niche in my opinion. Especially just going through a DI, which I tend to do in the vast majority of cases (I feel much more aware of my playing and volume when I get out what I put in), the pickup in post '57 P basses, especially by itself, feels restrictive, insensitive, and generally counterintuitive.

To be clear, my issue is not with the pickup on its own, as touched on before. In fact, reverse P pickups, especially when used in PJ configurations, are among my favorite pickups I've used. The problem lies in the standard P pickup and the fact that, on a normal P bass, that's all you get. The bass side being closer to the neck means a thumpy, muddy, tone- and the opposite for the treble side, having plenty of snap thanks to being closer to the bridge. Sounds great until you realize that that's ALL IT DOES.

Getting snap out of the bottom end is near impossible, even with the tone cranked, and the high end is crispy and bright all of the time (though somehow is not sensitive at all to light touch or strumming). It seems as if the whole point of the split-coil is to force extremes out of the bass all of the time, which may not be noticeable through preamps and pedals and such but is glaringly obvious through DI. And to seal it all off, you've got to play a log of a neck with strangely wide string spacing, making it even harder to be articulate than it already was.

Again, a reverse P sounds great. A reverse P sounds balanced. A PJ sounds balanced, reversed or not. I am sincerely wondering, why would you choose to spend considerable money on such a flawed and limited bass when reverse P and PJ basses are available for the same price with far more room for tone adaptation and the ability to produce the vintage sound that so many people say they look for in a P bass? I will gladly give the P a second chance if you can explain to me any actual benefit to owning one, and of course I'll be sure to look for what you bring up when I give it that chance, but I just really can't see the point.
There is no point buying one. Just don’t bother.

All I can say is after 50 years of playing mostly PBs with roundwounds I have zero complaints about my tone from band mates, sound techs, and recording engineers covering the following genres: Motown;, 70’s rock; 80’’s rock; Dowhop; punk rock, country, and reggae.

I will say this, I also use high quality cabs and amps with parametric midrange EQs and I’m not afraid to use them.
 
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The only reason for 2 P basses is 1 for rounds and 1 for flats.

5 years or so ago I sold off my LB76 because I just could not get comfortable on that large of a neck and and a low end Soundgear bass that I just did not love. Started over from scratch. I decided to replace them with a Precision, a Jazz and some variety of 5 string. The P bass is just a beast. It was great with rounds but I went to flats as the others had rounds. Its even better. The TRBX 5 string does the humbucker thing and there is not a bad sound in it. The Jazz does Jazz bass things and does them very well but it does not get a lot of time. It was the designated slapper. Turns out, I don't do much of that...

I debate in hind site if 2 P basses would have been a better choice to have round wound and flat wound options on a Precision. No budget for another P just yet but I am going to put flats on the jazz and see what I think about that combo. If that fills the hole for flats, the P can go back to rounds.

But a 2nd P is going to happen... They are just too damn good not to
 
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