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P Diddy's Makin the Band.

#241
This is a senseless debate - if you listened to the tracks in the episode and didn't like them, there is nothing that someone can say on an online forum that will all of a sudden make you change your mind.

I like one of the tunes and didn't care for the others. Even the tunes I didn't care for though I can definitely see how someone would like them. I'm sure the album will do well, and could even be pretty trendsetting for R&B/pop since it's a different sound than what is currently out. Urban radio has used influence from dance music for years, but I haven't heard anything in R&B bring in this much of an electronica feel. As far as the singing, most of the album will feature Diddy's group Dirty Money which includes two female singers in addition to himself. If they bring the heat on the vocals, along with Diddy's autotuned vocals (which I don't like myself, but I can't deny that it's been one of the hottest trends in pop music lately) it will be a good album.

But once again, I have no idea how we're supposed to have a debate about something as subjective as whether we like a certain song or not.
 
#242
vision said:
This is a senseless debate - if you listened to the tracks in the episode and didn't like them, there is nothing that someone can say on an online forum that will all of a sudden make you change your mind.

I like one of the tunes and didn't care for the others. Even the tunes I didn't care for though I can definitely see how someone would like them. I'm sure the album will do well, and could even be pretty trendsetting for R&B/pop since it's a different sound than what is currently out. Urban radio has used influence from dance music for years, but I haven't heard anything in R&B bring in this much of an electronica feel. As far as the singing, most of the album will feature Diddy's group Dirty Money which includes two female singers in addition to himself. If they bring the heat on the vocals, along with Diddy's autotuned vocals (which I don't like myself, but I can't deny that it's been one of the hottest trends in pop music lately) it will be a good album.

But once again, I have no idea how we're supposed to have a debate about something as subjective as whether we like a certain song or not.
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No debate you guys. Pull the question off the table..... But I being a bass player wouldn't really want a gig like this. After hearing the tracks, I'd struggle to be happy playing this "futuristic" type music.
 
#243
I'm sure most of you have played on songs that you weren't too wild about-I know I have. But it's not about us or whether we really dig the song or not-IT'S ABOUT THE SONG AND GIVING OUR ALL REGARDLESSS. As far as the music on Diddy's upcoming album, I doubt if I'm going to add it to my CD collection, but I can appreciate the skills and effort that will be needed to pull off the songs in concert. I would have no regrets adding that gig to my resume!



A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
#244
vision said:
This is a senseless debate - if you listened to the tracks in the episode and didn't like them, there is nothing that someone can say on an online forum that will all of a sudden make you change your mind.

I like one of the tunes and didn't care for the others. Even the tunes I didn't care for though I can definitely see how someone would like them. I'm sure the album will do well, and could even be pretty trendsetting for R&B/pop since it's a different sound than what is currently out. Urban radio has used influence from dance music for years, but I haven't heard anything in R&B bring in this much of an electronica feel. As far as the singing, most of the album will feature Diddy's group Dirty Money which includes two female singers in addition to himself. If they bring the heat on the vocals, along with Diddy's autotuned vocals (which I don't like myself, but I can't deny that it's been one of the hottest trends in pop music lately) it will be a good album.

But once again, I have no idea how we're supposed to have a debate about something as subjective as whether we like a certain song or not.
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It's not a debate, it's a difference of opinion though we can all agree that X bass player lacks Y because of how they sound and that's for the most part acknowledged upon listening to X bass player. If you compare these tracks to anything from say Kraftwerk, you can immediately see how lame they are.
 
#245
bottomzone said:
I'm sure most of you have played on songs that you weren't too wild about-I know I have. But it's not about us or whether we really dig the song or not-IT'S ABOUT THE SONG AND GIVING OUR ALL REGARDLESSS. As far as the music on Diddy's upcoming album, I doubt if I'm going to add it to my CD collection, but I can appreciate the skills and effort that will be needed to pull off the songs in concert. I would have no regrets adding that gig to my resume!



A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
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+1. Alot of that stuff was harmonically ambiguous (I think the violin player and a few keyboard players even mentioned how hard it was to solo over it) and heavily sequenced. No matter how much I don't like it, much props to anyone who could pull of a complex show like that.
 
#247
DWBass said:
This has been my experience with quite a few 'church bred' drummers while playing paid gigs! They're so used to 'shedding' all the time, they just don't know how to turn it off! One guy actually started some off-time groove in the middle of a song that totally screwed up the rest of the band and the song and we all had to end up 'shedding' with him to make it look we meant to do that. Needless to say, he was promptly fired!
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I've played with "church drummers" as well. There is a passage in the Bible that says "make a joyful noise unto the Lord". This could explain much of the loudness and "shedding" in chuch! If someone is "in the spirit", then they're "in the spirit".

However, things do have to be done, as is always said in church, "in decency and in order". A good rhythm section must know this, so that their shedding and loudness doesn't drown over the singer or chior. Drowning out the vocals is NOT joyful. More important, a music director of that rhythm section must be able to reel the musicians in when the loudness drowns out everything else.

Sorry for going off-Diddy. Now, back to the thread......
 
#250
Phil Smith said:
I'm not sure how accurate this is, I heard a few people that didn't get call backs and some that did...my conclusion, they weren't really looking for people that could actually play, they were looking for people that would fit in with the theme of the series.
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Oh,I would bet my whole paycheck that they just called the "young,cool&hip"guys/gals back to the show.

But,what really surprised me??All the youngsters into actually playing an instrument,instead of wanting to be a rapper.
 
#256
I think that we are going to be going around in circles with the "stereotype" argument and charges. Folks like me that don;t listen to rap don;t really care about the style; instruments or not. I have nothing against it just is not my cup of tea and I'm not going to take much time to differentiate between the "new more evolved" kind and the stuff we happen to see plastered all over MTV. I respect players regardless of genre, please let there be no misunderstandings.
 
#259
KeithPas said:
I read his post and didn't interpret it that way at all. The show is about P Diddy after all (all other things aside, if it is put on by P Diddy it is about P Diddy) and he is a rapper.
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How absurd is it to think there aren't any young black people involved with music that aren't studying and playing instruments?

How absurd is to go around thinking that all young black people that have interest in music want to be rappers?

How do you not see that this primise is based on a racial stereotype?
 
#260
Phil Smith said:
It's not a debate, it's a difference of opinion though we can all agree that X bass player lacks Y because of how they sound and that's for the most part acknowledged upon listening to X bass player. If you compare these tracks to anything from say Kraftwerk, you can immediately see how lame they are.
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But why would you compare the tracks to anything from Kraftwerk? Diddy is taking an element of electronica and fusing it with hip-hop. Hip-hop, as a genre, always borrows elements from other genres and brings them together. If you compare an early Dr. Dre record to a George Clinton record that had an influence on it, then the Dre record is gonna seem lame. But Dre wasn't trying to make a George Clinton record - he was doing hip-hop. The music that Dre made wasn't lame, many would consider it to be classic. This all goes back to the very beginnings of hip-hop when a DJ would just loop the break from a funk record so the MC could rap over it. You wouldn't compare that music to the original funk recordings.

But what I meant by saying this debate is senseless is that the people that don't like the music aren't gonna be convinced that it is good, and the people that do like it aren't gonna be convinced that it's lame. This is all as subjective as you can get.
 

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