Pair of 210 for vertical stack under 1000

[olicor]

Buying from Thomann? They don't stock the GK's unfortunately and can you actually stack those Ampeg cabs with the fliptops?!
I say the Hartkes, for the ease of carrying and minimal footprint. They're a small cab so won't have the best low-end extension but that's less mud to dial out .

Yes i buy from thoman most of the time but i saw the gk at gear4music
i d like to know how it compares to others

 

[buldog5151bass]

thanks buldog, tell me please are you talkin the new hartkes or the previous version (aluminium grill) and for the ampeg, the svt av or the PF ?

It was about 3 years ago.

FWIW, consider the Bareface 212. If you want to get it up in the air, get an amp stand. I imagine it will move more than enough air, sound better, and your back will thank you.

 

[olicor]

If you buy from Thomann, you can send them back within 30 days for a refund. Not as convenient as just trying them out in a store, but worth considering.

Maybe consider Markbass, if weight is an issue?

thank you equill it s an option but last time i did ,thomann started to ask why a return and if the product works well and it s just a matter of taste, they wanted to charge for shipping back, so not really free ...
As for makbass, i was almost sold on the 102 hF but i changed my mind hearing this guy

to my ears the MB sounds too wooly and bassy and i like the gk clarity better. You can always boost a bit the lows on a clear sounding cab but getting rid of woolyness may be harder.
and my head is grey and i don t like that much that orange color ( i just don t understand why MB keep keep going with the orange stuff now that they ve got a name)

 

[olicor]

It was about 3 years ago.

FWIW, consider the Bareface 212. If you want to get it up in the air, get an amp stand. I imagine it will move more than enough air, sound better, and your back will thank you.

no tweeter on the barefaced 212 and not splitable

 

[olicor]

Does anyone had the chance to compare the new hartke with the rumble or the gk cx ?

 

[G On Bass]

Another vote for a pair of Ampeg 210AVs. I have a pair and gigged frequently with and without FOH support, with them using a MicroVR head or an Ampeg V-4B. Great on a tight stage, super light and easy to hear.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

Hello bassists !
My name is Olivier from France, i m 46, been playing bass for may be 18 years , switching from guitar. I like and play many genres in my cover band , pop rock funk reagge. I ve spent a lot of time reading on TB because it s simply the best resource you can find that deals with our beloved instrument. Today i post for the first time as i need some advices to choose my next pair of cabs. As i always struggle to hear myself on stage, i opted for a pair of same cabs stacked vertically. A pair of 210 seem to be a good choice as it will be taller than a 2 12 and generally speaking, i like the sound of tens better than 12's.
i only can spend 1000 euros for the pair and it has to be new.
they will be powered by a tone hammer 500 so i think they need to handle at least 300w rms each 8 ohms.
i think about 3 models that are
1 fender rumble 210
2 hartke Hydrive HD 210( the "new" ones black)
3 ampeg PF 210 HE portaflex
I have a bad back so light is good and the fender and hartke are lighter but if the ampeg sounds better, i can lift a few more pounds.
Based on your experience, which one do you think will best suit my needs.
thank you very much.
ps: where i live, i can t try these cabs hence this thread.

The 210HE cabs sound amazing. I have 2 of them. Best rig I've had yet. But, theyre big, and they're heavy. Can't really suggest them to you for a small option.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

a pair of 200w is a 400w stack and the tonehammer is 500w 4 ohms output with a class d power section that seems to be quiet generous. i already have a hard time singing backink vovals while playing so if i have to think about not fryin the speakers it s gonna be impossible

There's no way you would bro. Unless you plan on diming every knob on your amp. Your band and the sound guy would kick you off the stage far before you blow up those cabs.

 

[spaz21387]

Don't forget the Ampeg 210AV.

My vote goes to the 210av as well

 

[NKBassman]

Thank you Chef for your input !
with its 200 watts RMS won t the ampeg 210 AV struggle with the 250 w output at 8 ohms of the tonehammer ?

I've been using a pair of 210AV cabs with a TH500 for years and years. I've never had a reason to turn the amp up loud enough to even test the cabs. That's the thing with the vertical stack, you end up actually needing less stage volume because you can hear yourself way better.

They do not have a tweeter though, and not really an overly bright "modern" sound, if that's what you're after.

 

[john_g]

a pair of 200w is a 400w stack and the tonehammer is 500w 4 ohms output with a class d power section that seems to be quiet generous. i already have a hard time singing backink vovals while playing so if i have to think about not fryin the speakers it s gonna be impossible

I have two 210AVs stacked vertically and use both my Markbass LMII (500 watts) and my SVT (which sounds louder than the LMII) with no problems. Not saying they are better than the ones in your poll but they sound great, are light, and I have had no issues with volume.

 

[Chef]

Thank you Chef for your input !
with its 200 watts RMS won t the ampeg 210 AV struggle with the 250 w output at 8 ohms of the tonehammer ?

When I did the review of the SVT Micro head and two 210AV cabs for Bass Gear Magazine, I used those cabs with several 500 watt heads, and had no problems. They're very light and easy to move, make a nice, tall vertical stack, and sound really good.

 

[olicor]

I've been using a pair of 210AV cabs with a TH500 for years and years. I've never had a reason to turn the amp up loud enough to even test the cabs. That's the thing with the vertical stack, you end up actually needing less stage volume because you can hear yourself way better.

They do not have a tweeter though, and not really an overly bright "modern" sound, if that's what you're after.

Thank you bro so it seems that it s ok to power a 400 watts cab with a 500 head , good to know , but i didn t know the AV didn t have tweeter and i prefer to have one , i m not after let s say a very modern bright sound but i like clarity and you can always roll off the tweeter if needed.
Thank you all people for your advices.
Somebody has the chance to play the GK CX vs Hartke new HD vs rumble V3 vs Ampeg PF HE ?

 

[Igor Porto]

Consider the MarkBass 102P Traveler. It’s small, perfect for stacking vertically, powerful and loud. It’s super lightweight, only 12kg per cabinet and has a small footprint. Costs around 438 Euro each. Has all the clarity you need, including a knob to dial down the tweeter if you want.

 

[olicor]

There's no way you would bro. Unless you plan on diming every knob on your amp. Your band and the sound guy would kick you off the stage far before you blow up those cabs.

thnk you jeezy, most of the time we don t have soundguy nor pa support for bass so running these av outdoor seemed to me to be limiting but av are very popular here and it seems to work well. But i need a tweeter too.

 

[Eddie LeBlanc]

If you can find somewhere.. Schroeder 210 PL cabs are way above the run of the mill mass produced cabs out there. Maybe you can get lucky and find a couple. Believe me, you will not be disappointed.

Cabinets | Schroeder Cabinets | Bass Cabinets | California

12 Gauge Heavy Duty Diamond Shaped Grill; Two Custom 10” B&C Neodymium Woofers

150 Watts Phenolic Tweeter

Dual Speakon In/Out

40 Hz - 18 kHz

4 or 8 Ohm

700 Watts Rms

102 dB Spl@ 1W/1M

36 lbs.

20.5”W x 20.5”H x 15”D

 

[NortyFiner]

Since you're using a Tone Hammer, why not the Aguilar SL210 cabs to match? Or is that outside your budget?

 

[olicor]

Since you're using a Tone Hammer, why not the Aguilar SL210 cabs to match? Or is that outside your budget?

one alone 210 SL cost 1300 here... so a pair is not really under 1000. but good stuff for sure

 

[olicor]

Consider the MarkBass 102P Traveler. It’s small, perfect for stacking vertically, powerful and loud. It’s super lightweight, only 12kg per cabinet and has a small footprint. Costs around 438 Euro each. Has all the clarity you need, including a knob to dial down the tweeter if you want.

thank you igor. not really fan of orange design but as for power/weight ratio it s unbeatable. I also prefer a horn vs a tweeter. But at least i can try MB stuff in my town and with a bit of black paint for the drivers (just kidding) it could work .

 

[NKBassman]

Thank you bro so it seems that it s ok to power a 400 watts cab with a 500 head , good to know

It's going to be ok as long as you keep the volume under control.
Could you damage the cabs? Yeah Maybe. At the end of the day they are still medium-duty cabs at best. But you'd have to be running the amp at full volume and slamming it pretty hard before I'd start to worry.