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Parallel Universe range from Fender

I've been after some sort of 51 P bass for forever, had INSANE Gas for this one until I saw the price. I'd kill for an MIM version or something. Nearly bought the Schecter Model T, but the rosewood fingerboard put me off (should be maple :p) and the larger pickguard. Would've bought a Lakland Skyline 44-51, but I haven't seen a single one in Australia. I'll take any sort of butterscotch blonde, vintage blonde, or white blonde precision bass at this point (Fender please).

Also does this bass have stacked knobs or something? I can't tell what the controls are.

Why don't you buy one of the MIJ Fender '51 reissues used? Their quality is at least on par with US Fender instruments.
 
Yeah, but if you really want a headless neck through 6 string from southern california, you should just go for Kiesel, which would be about 10 times as good for 1/2 the cost of what Fender would charge for that (for a custom shop at least)
 
Yeah, but if you really want a headless neck through 6 string from southern california, you should just go for Kiesel, which would be about 10 times as good for 1/2 the cost of what Fender would charge for that (for a custom shop at least)
Would love to play these Kiesel/Carvins that are so amazing....owned two, the last one a PB4 a year and a half ago....exceptionally underwhelming....both Carvins I had fit and fit/build, playability and tone on par with my early 90s Washburn XB400 import....a bass that sells for $200 max these days.....
I assumed my first was a lemon....second was equally cheap feeling, sounding and utterly disappointing. That was $1500 USD wasted imho
Any post 2010 MIM standard fender I have had/played was better....my '04 + '06 Musicman USA SUBs are vastly superior and any post 2008 USA Fender Standard I have played has been far, far superior...not even comparable.

I also own:
Ibanez RKB 900 - much better than either Carvin
Ibanez ASB - built in China but feels and plays much better than either Carvin
EBMM Bongo....10x better in every category
EBMM SR4....see above
Fender Highway One P bass....better build, feel, tone and balance....


So I assume I bought two out or two lemons..but based on my experience, Carvins were a cheap toy compared to current situation offerings from other companies.....
 
A PB4 is like the lowest end bass they make.

Meanwhile, the average 1500 fender usually feels about the same as the average 400 fender, and from 20 ft away probably looks about the same too (maybe sounds moderately better on it's own and the same in a mix). EBs are usually great. I call BS on the Ibanezes being better than the Carvins though, unless you just had absolutely horrible luck with them.

What it sounds more like though is you're just looking for something very particular that the carvins weren't designed to provide. I've owned and played lots of carvin stuff over the last 25 years (most recent that I played used in a store was a vader 4 bass that killed). Nothing "cheap toy" about any of it, including the Bolt T that I bought used 20 years ago for $265 (basically got it like new, and would have been about $700-800 at the time).

But bolt on necks are not really their speciality. They do way more neck-through stuff (like my gorgeous LB76 from the first few years they were making them). Now, Ibanez 6 strings mostly look literally like cheap toys until you spend 1000 or more. Fender makes precisely zero of them (and when they did they were also not great looking). EB makes ONE which is surely a fine instrument but is ugly as sin. Oh, and it costs, what? 2500 or so? The Carvin though is a gorgeous natural quilted maple (with matching headstock), ebony fingerboard, no logo, and no inlays. Matte black hardware. Just classy and understated in a way that ibanez could never wish to emulate on anything but their highest end basses (which are probably still made in indonesia or somewhere yet cost a zillion dollars anyway for no apparent reason). Oh, and it sounds great and it plays great and was about $700 with HSC in like new condition. I also had a tele thinline 12 string that was maybe even nicer than the bass. I only sold that because I needed the money at the time. Figured walnut top, mahogany body and neck, birdseye maple fingerboard. 2 coil tapping humbuckers plus a piezo. Oh and it cost me like $1150 brand new with a case and would absolutely annihilate ANY production 12 string you'd care to put up against it costing 2-3x more. So forgive me if I'm skeptical of your "oh my $200 chinese ibanez is built better". I go to GC and out of their NEW basses, I'd have to play like 20+ ibanezes to find 1 that was even playable at all.

I don't know what to tell you, but your experience is absolutely an anomaly. Most people who have actually played them (not the typical internet "read about a guy who read about a guy..." stories) think they are very well built, even if they don't actually "like" the instrument for whatever reason. So that is not a common criticism of them.
 
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Is this where I sign up for the new Parallax Cowpoke club? I'm in!

Fender built these in the 90's which I believe was before Schecter did their clone.
And these are a bargain usually around $500 or less. Perfect mod platform if you like. The necks on theses are slim and fast jazz necks. The Pre is a weak point for many ( it's not terrible) but it's easy to make passive or swap if you like.
 
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A PB4 is like the lowest end bass they make.

Meanwhile, the average 1500 fender usually feels about the same as the average 400 fender, and from 20 ft away probably looks about the same too (maybe sounds moderately better on it's own and the same in a mix). EBs are usually great. I call BS on the Ibanezes being better than the Carvins though, unless you just had absolutely horrible luck with them.

What it sounds more like though is you're just looking for something very particular that the carvins weren't designed to provide. I've owned and played lots of carvin stuff over the last 25 years (most recent that I played used in a store was a vader 4 bass that killed). Nothing "cheap toy" about any of it, including the Bolt T that I bought used 20 years ago for $265 (basically got it like new, and would have been about $700-800 at the time).

But bolt on necks are not really their speciality. They do way more neck-through stuff (like my gorgeous LB76 from the first few years they were making them). Now, Ibanez 6 strings mostly look literally like cheap toys until you spend 1000 or more. Fender makes precisely zero of them (and when they did they were also not great looking). EB makes ONE which is surely a fine instrument but is ugly as sin. Oh, and it costs, what? 2500 or so? The Carvin though is a gorgeous natural quilted maple (with matching headstock), ebony fingerboard, no logo, and no inlays. Matte black hardware. Just classy and understated in a way that ibanez could never wish to emulate on anything but their highest end basses (which are probably still made in indonesia or somewhere yet cost a zillion dollars anyway for no apparent reason). Oh, and it sounds great and it plays great and was about $700 with HSC in like new condition. I also had a tele thinline 12 string that was maybe even nicer than the bass. I only sold that because I needed the money at the time. Figured walnut top, mahogany body and neck, birdseye maple fingerboard. 2 coil tapping humbuckers plus a piezo. Oh and it cost me like $1150 brand new with a case and would absolutely annihilate ANY production 12 string you'd care to put up against it costing 2-3x more. So forgive me if I'm skeptical of your "oh my $200 chinese ibanez is built better". I go to GC and out of their NEW basses, I'd have to play like 20+ ibanezes to find 1 that was even playable at all.

I don't know what to tell you, but your experience is absolutely an anomaly. Most people who have actually played them (not the typical internet "read about a guy who read about a guy..." stories) think they are very well built, even if they don't actually "like" the instrument for whatever reason. So that is not a common criticism of them.
I don't think the PB4 was the lowest thing they made at that time...it was a quite heavily promoted addition to the SB/JB formula....pretty highly promoted as a premium P bass variant....iirc
 
A PB4 is like the lowest end bass they make.

Meanwhile, the average 1500 fender usually feels about the same as the average 400 fender, and from 20 ft away probably looks about the same too (maybe sounds moderately better on it's own and the same in a mix). EBs are usually great. I call BS on the Ibanezes being better than the Carvins though, unless you just had absolutely horrible luck with them.

What it sounds more like though is you're just looking for something very particular that the carvins weren't designed to provide. I've owned and played lots of carvin stuff over the last 25 years (most recent that I played used in a store was a vader 4 bass that killed). Nothing "cheap toy" about any of it, including the Bolt T that I bought used 20 years ago for $265 (basically got it like new, and would have been about $700-800 at the time).

But bolt on necks are not really their speciality. They do way more neck-through stuff (like my gorgeous LB76 from the first few years they were making them). Now, Ibanez 6 strings mostly look literally like cheap toys until you spend 1000 or more. Fender makes precisely zero of them (and when they did they were also not great looking). EB makes ONE which is surely a fine instrument but is ugly as sin. Oh, and it costs, what? 2500 or so? The Carvin though is a gorgeous natural quilted maple (with matching headstock), ebony fingerboard, no logo, and no inlays. Matte black hardware. Just classy and understated in a way that ibanez could never wish to emulate on anything but their highest end basses (which are probably still made in indonesia or somewhere yet cost a zillion dollars anyway for no apparent reason). Oh, and it sounds great and it plays great and was about $700 with HSC in like new condition. I also had a tele thinline 12 string that was maybe even nicer than the bass. I only sold that because I needed the money at the time. Figured walnut top, mahogany body and neck, birdseye maple fingerboard. 2 coil tapping humbuckers plus a piezo. Oh and it cost me like $1150 brand new with a case and would absolutely annihilate ANY production 12 string you'd care to put up against it costing 2-3x more. So forgive me if I'm skeptical of your "oh my $200 chinese ibanez is built better". I go to GC and out of their NEW basses, I'd have to play like 20+ ibanezes to find 1 that was even playable at all.

I don't know what to tell you, but your experience is absolutely an anomaly. Most people who have actually played them (not the typical internet "read about a guy who read about a guy..." stories) think they are very well built, even if they don't actually "like" the instrument for whatever reason. So that is not a common criticism of them.
One of those Ibanez basses is the original Prestige line (2004)...so don't dismiss it based on brand...I think most folks who have played them would rank Ibanez Prestige (MIJ) up with any MIA production build....heck the Grooveline and current SR MIJs get regularly compared to boutique stuff.

The HB was the first run of Artcore in China, and the QC was top shelf as they were trying to legitimize the move to MIC....it has exceptional fit and finish....the stock PU was mismatched to the pots on initial run, but the one has an EMG swap and sounds Uber fat and balanced.

I have played a few other Carvins as well....to me, some of them were decent....most felt like Fender Killers aimed at late 80s/early 90s hit and miss US production...nothing close to a current standard.
Of course maybe they send all the lemons to Canada...
 
A PB4 is like the lowest end bass they make.

Meanwhile, the average 1500 fender usually feels about the same as the average 400 fender, and from 20 ft away probably looks about the same too (maybe sounds moderately better on it's own and the same in a mix). EBs are usually great. I call BS on the Ibanezes being better than the Carvins though, unless you just had absolutely horrible luck with them.

What it sounds more like though is you're just looking for something very particular that the carvins weren't designed to provide. I've owned and played lots of carvin stuff over the last 25 years (most recent that I played used in a store was a vader 4 bass that killed). Nothing "cheap toy" about any of it, including the Bolt T that I bought used 20 years ago for $265 (basically got it like new, and would have been about $700-800 at the time).

But bolt on necks are not really their speciality. They do way more neck-through stuff (like my gorgeous LB76 from the first few years they were making them). Now, Ibanez 6 strings mostly look literally like cheap toys until you spend 1000 or more. Fender makes precisely zero of them (and when they did they were also not great looking). EB makes ONE which is surely a fine instrument but is ugly as sin. Oh, and it costs, what? 2500 or so? The Carvin though is a gorgeous natural quilted maple (with matching headstock), ebony fingerboard, no logo, and no inlays. Matte black hardware. Just classy and understated in a way that ibanez could never wish to emulate on anything but their highest end basses (which are probably still made in indonesia or somewhere yet cost a zillion dollars anyway for no apparent reason). Oh, and it sounds great and it plays great and was about $700 with HSC in like new condition. I also had a tele thinline 12 string that was maybe even nicer than the bass. I only sold that because I needed the money at the time. Figured walnut top, mahogany body and neck, birdseye maple fingerboard. 2 coil tapping humbuckers plus a piezo. Oh and it cost me like $1150 brand new with a case and would absolutely annihilate ANY production 12 string you'd care to put up against it costing 2-3x more. So forgive me if I'm skeptical of your "oh my $200 chinese ibanez is built better". I go to GC and out of their NEW basses, I'd have to play like 20+ ibanezes to find 1 that was even playable at all.

I don't know what to tell you, but your experience is absolutely an anomaly. Most people who have actually played them (not the typical internet "read about a guy who read about a guy..." stories) think they are very well built, even if they don't actually "like" the instrument for whatever reason. So that is not a common criticism of them.
I can PM you gig photos and band promo material featuring me and the Carvin PB4 if you would like proof. The previous Carvin was pre the prevalence of omnipresent digital photos and will have to wait until I visit Canada again this summer and can photo/scan one of the originals
 
Got into an argument recently with someone who said the Meteora is just another Fender shot at trying to appeal to younger guitarists and that it looks like a distorted Telecaster. The thing is, I've heard a few different people say it reminded them too much of a Telecaster.
What, the bridge?
The pickguard?
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