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Peavey basses - why no higher end?

Recently boght Peavey Minimega + PVH 210. Fantastic head and cabinet. Serious bottom. Loads of functions and great sound.

I checked bassses by Peavey, but looks like a majority are entry level basses. I see that in the past, there were Peavey Fury, Patriot, T-40 etc.

Why they stopped producing this kind of quality instruments? I would by one. If Schechter, Sire can make that, Peavey could too?
 
American models never sold that well for Peavey. They are great used bargains; new they had tough competition at their price point. Their imports on the other hand do pretty well.

I have a G-V (paid $350 NOS 16 years ago) and a Millennium Plus (paid $100 used last year). The tone from the G-V never wowed me, but it has been a good practice bass. Recently put Infeld Flats on the G-V and the strings improved the sound dramatically. Millennium is getting ready for Bartolini Pups and an Audere preamp as soon as the parts come in.

I point out my experience to agree with others; the electronics are the weak point on the American Peavey models (at least the ones I have played which does not go back to the older T series basses). Build quality on the other hand has been quite good.
 
Peavey recently built a few (11?) Wolfgang guitars in the United states. I believe they may have used some leftover bodies that they still had on the shelf. Word is that they have some Cirrus bodies/wings sitting on the shelf too, and would love to build some US Cirrus basses again. There are no solid plans right now, but if it makes sense for them to get back in the Made in the USA business, they would love to.

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I checked bassses by Peavey, but looks like a majority are entry level basses. I see that in the past, there were Peavey Fury, Patriot, T-40 etc.

Why they stopped producing this kind of quality instruments? I would by one. If Schechter, Sire can make that, Peavey could too?
Just to be clear, the Fury and Patriot were sold as entry level basses and the T-40 (much as I love it) was never a "High-End" bass. That said, Peavey has made a TON of high-end USA instruments over the years.

Unfortunately they shuttered virtually all of their USA production facilities a few years ago. For a few years they made nothing but low and mid-level imports but they recently made a stab at the bottom of the High-End market with the new Cirrus instruments. The quality is reportedly great and I'd put it against any Sire or the best of the Schecter import instruments but it's not a high-end custom job like the original Cirrus basses were.

All this to say, they just don't have the USA facilities or production line anymore to do truly high-end custom work. I'd love to be proven wrong but beyond a couple of one-offs here and there for promotional purposes I don't see them doing USA production anymore.

One has to ask themselves this: With a new imported Cirrus 5 going for $1200, a USA model would probably go for 3 grand. Is anyone looking to spend Lakland money on a Peavey these days?
 
One has to ask themselves this: With a new imported Cirrus 5 going for $1200, a USA model would probably go for 3 grand. Is anyone looking to spend Lakland money on a Peavey these days?

Realistically, probably not, but they are definitely worth every penny. Every single US-made Peavey I've laid my hands on has been a quality instrument, capable of being set up beautifully, no matter the age or condition. They really knew what they were doing. As others have said, the Millennium, Cirrus, and GV basses were all crazy good. So were the TL-5 and TL-6, the Randy Jackson and Rudy Sarzo sigs, not to mention the B-Quad basses, but they are as rare as a unicorn fart these days (along with the Mills, which is a crying shame).

These were some incredible basses, but there is a stigma (unfairly so) that Peavey isn't good, when actually the opposite is true. People have equated seeing Peavey stuff in pawn shops and being sold for little cash as meaning they suck... there's simply a ton of their stuff out there, and it all still works, decades after it was released. The fact that there is so many at pawn shops and the like is really a testament to their quality and longevity, and nothing else. They may not be the fanciest or best sounding equipment (amps, etc.) but they will always fire up and get the job done.
 
Realistically, probably not, but they are definitely worth every penny. Every single US-made Peavey I've laid my hands on has been a quality instrument...

...These were some incredible basses, but there is a stigma (unfairly so) that Peavey isn't good, when actually the opposite is true. People have equated seeing Peavey stuff in pawn shops and being sold for little cash as meaning they suck... there's simply a ton of their stuff out there, and it all still works, decades after it was released.

I definitely agree. However at this point if I had new USA Cirrus money I wouldn't buy one.

One other thing I will point out with Peavey basses is that it's been a while since we saw much innovation. Peavey doesn't have the classic models of a Fender or Gibson so they have to keep evolving. That was their strength for a long time. They were constantly coming out with new basses at the low and high end that tried new things, especially in the areas of electronics.

When was the last time Peavey put out a "new" bass or a major improvement to an existing model? The Cirrus is a 20 year old design. The Millenium is at least 10 and not even made anymore except as a Generic import with little to set itself apart. Likewise, the Grind and Zodiac styles are well over a decade old.

For whatever reason, the Peavey of today is just not the peavey of 10, 20, or 30 years ago.
 

I was never blown away by the Cirrus. The neck pickup is not optimally placed for the sound I like. That said, they are beautiful basses. I really wanted to like the one I tried.

I've played a few of those $1000ish Cirruses (Cirrai?) and was never really impressed. But I've played a bunch of $200 Foundations that had some of the ballsiest jazz bass tones I've ever heard.

American models never sold that well for Peavey. They are great used bargains; new they had tough competition at their price point. Their imports on the other hand do pretty well.

I have a G-V (paid $350 NOS 16 years ago) and a Millennium Plus (paid $100 used last year). The tone from the G-V never wowed me, but it has been a good practice bass. Recently put Infeld Flats on the G-V and the strings improved the sound dramatically. Millennium is getting ready for Bartolini Pups and an Audere preamp as soon as the parts come in.

I point out my experience to agree with others; the electronics are the weak point on the American Peavey models (at least the ones I have played which does not go back to the older T series basses). Build quality on the other hand has been quite good.

Just to be clear, the Fury and Patriot were sold as entry level basses and the T-40 (much as I love it) was never a "High-End" bass. That said, Peavey has made a TON of high-end USA instruments over the years.

Unfortunately they shuttered virtually all of their USA production facilities a few years ago. For a few years they made nothing but low and mid-level imports but they recently made a stab at the bottom of the High-End market with the new Cirrus instruments. The quality is reportedly great and I'd put it against any Sire or the best of the Schecter import instruments but it's not a high-end custom job like the original Cirrus basses were.

All this to say, they just don't have the USA facilities or production line anymore to do truly high-end custom work. I'd love to be proven wrong but beyond a couple of one-offs here and there for promotional purposes I don't see them doing USA production anymore.

One has to ask themselves this: With a new imported Cirrus 5 going for $1200, a USA model would probably go for 3 grand. Is anyone looking to spend Lakland money on a Peavey these days?

1) The current Cirrus is overseas "meh" in my opinion. The US models blow the foreign ones out of the water, because I've played/owned both, soooooo I pretty much don't even count the new Cirruses as the real deal...basically non-existant to me.

2) My Cirrus is tamer to a point than my Millennium, and considerably less gain, probably from the different pickups. Both have the same preamp, so perhaps the Cirrus' p'ups are too polite for some.

3) Again, the Cirruses seem to be more polite, even if mine has really nice growl. The Milleniums, even when they were almost as much as the Cirruses, had and have TONS of bark and volume. My US 5 Plus+ is LOUD and super-aggressive.

4) My Cirrus and Milli have that phenomenal preamp with the mid-sweep, so I definitely don't see electronics as their weakness. I don't see any weaknesses in either of my basses, as I think they can stack up with the best out there. I can still see how some expect how much more, though...matter of preference.

5) I would absolutely at least consider a new, US-made Cirrus or Milli. I think Lakland is hugely overrated, as I've tried the US ones, and imo, the sloppy Skylines (played one that was okay, at best), and my Peaveys blow them out of the water.

I've tried so many basses over the years, and I think that my Peaveys are at the top, really. They're just phenomenal instruments. The only competition, imo, are MTD USA, Mike Lull, and Warrior (was really impressed by these at NAMM).
 
...perhaps the Cirrus' p'ups are too polite for some.

3) Again, the Cirruses seem to be more polite, even if mine has really nice growl. The Milleniums, even when they were almost as much as the Cirruses, had and have TONS of bark and volume. My US 5 Plus+ is LOUD and super-aggressive.

4) My Cirrus and Milli have that phenomenal preamp with the mid-sweep, so I definitely don't see electronics as their weakness.

Fair point that it is a matter of taste. I have never found my G-V or Millennium to be as aggressive or versatile as my G&L L-2500 or Tobias Growler (early version with dual bass/treble controls and mid switches). The Millennium is certainly more aggressive and versatile than the G-V IMO, but it still is not quite where I want it to be. This is what I mean when I say the electronics are the weak point to me (should have qualified that in previous post). With that said, it is all personal opinion on bass tone. I can definitely agree that build quality is top notch on the American Peaveys. You cannot go wrong buying a used American Peavey particularly at the prices that they tend to go for. If you don't like the electronics (like me), you can always swap them out and still have bargain on a well made bass.
 
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Thanks for thinking of us, but posting of sales is only allowed in the classified section and only by supporting members.
 

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