Yeah, either that or kids don't like Rush. It's not the complexity that keeps Rush out of my repertoire
It's true... I have a Rush bass anthology book and I'm too scared to even open it!
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Pete Wentz Fender Signature Model? Really?
- Thread starter M-Hawk
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It's true... I have a Rush bass anthology book and I'm too scared to even open it!
Plenty wrong with it. I hated what was on the radio when I was 13, I hate whats on the radio now. I don't really like the Beatles either, so other generations stuff is not immune to my distaste for the pop scene. The big name radio music does little for me. Every band I ever liked was better before everyone else agreed with me.
Since I was born in 83, I grew up listening to "old" bands like Crue, GnR, Stones, Stooges, Ramones, Clash, etc and I didn't have to deal with the "this is popular now, so it must suck" mentality most kids go through, I feel like there is a HUGE difference musically when comparing big commercial successes like Crue and GnR to ******** copycat cookie cutter bullsh*t like Winger, Poison, etc... It was "popular" around the same time, but musically.... there is a HUUUUUUUGGGGEEEEEE difference. I feel like this is easily discernible, no?
Anyways, Lousy... what was your feeling on the "Too Fast For Love" album? I have had a lot of naysayers who though Crue was commercial sell-outs listen to that album and come back like.... "Ok, yeah, i forgot about that. Makes sense now. Wow." When things get popular, especially in that decade, they spawn rip-off after rip-off. When you hear a lot of songs now, you group it into some "80s _______ rock" in your mind. But when you see the years that things were done, don't you realize what was ahead of its time (by years at a time)?
Anyways, Lousy... what was your feeling on the "Too Fast For Love" album? I have had a lot of naysayers who though Crue was commercial sell-outs listen to that album and come back like.... "Ok, yeah, i forgot about that. Makes sense now. Wow." When things get popular, especially in that decade, they spawn rip-off after rip-off. When you hear a lot of songs now, you group it into some "80s _______ rock" in your mind. But when you see the years that things were done, don't you realize what was ahead of its time (by years at a time)?
Is it weird that I read through most of this thread and realized that I can't think of a single song by Fall Out Boy? Then I remembered that one song where he says like "we're going down, down" and it occurred to me that i couldn't think of the bass line....heck, I can't even think of the guitar or drums either. I think the success of the music has nothing to do with the notes, (practically nothing to do with the bass) but has some grounds in the structure and simple but dance-like rhythm. The key is the lyrics, which will remind most girls of their pitiful attempts at romance and their social/relationship insecurities. It's like someone else is singing about those problems for the girl. And where cute girls are, guys will follow 
. Plus guys can listen to them because they are males holding instruments.
So my point: people hate Wentz because he gets a sig bass while he is furthering the mediocre bass player thing. Personally it doesn't bother me and i don't hate him since everyone in that band is pretty mediocre. What I hate is a mediocre bassist with other excellent musicians
.
But there are PLENTY of solid bass players in other popular bands that could get a sig... "why Wentz??" i guess is the resounding question...
(or everyone here is just jealous
)
But yeah... the bass. I've never even seen it in a store, and I'm not even a fan of Squires at all.
Edit: Darn! I forgot also that girls think they're gorgeous. I should know, my ex was obsessed with Pete Wentz... wait a second, why the hell don't I hate him?
. Plus guys can listen to them because they are males holding instruments. So my point: people hate Wentz because he gets a sig bass while he is furthering the mediocre bass player thing. Personally it doesn't bother me and i don't hate him since everyone in that band is pretty mediocre. What I hate is a mediocre bassist with other excellent musicians
. But there are PLENTY of solid bass players in other popular bands that could get a sig... "why Wentz??" i guess is the resounding question...
(or everyone here is just jealous
) But yeah... the bass. I've never even seen it in a store, and I'm not even a fan of Squires at all.
Edit: Darn! I forgot also that girls think they're gorgeous. I should know, my ex was obsessed with Pete Wentz... wait a second, why the hell don't I hate him?
I think you are absolutely right about GnR and Crue, and certain bands that kick off genres vice fall into them in general. Commercial sell outs? AMybe eventually. Same with Metallica and GnR. But you can't listen to "Too fast for love", "Appetite For Destruction"
or any Pre Black Album Metallica and not hear something that in the context of its time was incredible. I think you hit something with the ahead of their time thing. Bands Like those, as well as Floyd, Boston, Zepplin, the Who (all big commercial successes) are still musically relevant as well as pop culture relevant. Poison, Winger, Megadeth (though I like them, its a re badged Metallica), any of this Nu-metal garbage are all rendered as irrelevant as Chumbawumba after a short period of time.
or any Pre Black Album Metallica and not hear something that in the context of its time was incredible. I think you hit something with the ahead of their time thing. Bands Like those, as well as Floyd, Boston, Zepplin, the Who (all big commercial successes) are still musically relevant as well as pop culture relevant. Poison, Winger, Megadeth (though I like them, its a re badged Metallica), any of this Nu-metal garbage are all rendered as irrelevant as Chumbawumba after a short period of time.
Pete Wentz bass?
Do a youtube search.
There's a market...and it's a big one.
The guys pissing this many people off, I figure he's gotta be doing something right
Do a youtube search.
There's a market...and it's a big one.
The guys pissing this many people off, I figure he's gotta be doing something right
Good point. See also: early Van Halen.
I think a band like Jimmy Eat World falls into this category too; they are superficially similar to FOB, but MUCH higher quality, lyrically and musically. Maybe they need 15 years of looking-back to get their due as innovators of pop-Emo.
The difference is that i don't claim to be punk in any way shape or form. I used to listen to Sex Pistols and stuff like that when i was in high school and really loved the whole grunge thing when that happened, hell I even like some of the new "punk" stuff from bands like Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Sum41, MxPx, etc.
I never claimed to be a Final Arbiter of anything.
why hate the guy?? does it really do any good..before the bashing starts im by no means a FOB fan cause im not 13 and i have a ding ding. but at least this dude is charismatic..he jumps around and has fun hes in the spotlight and gets him some pretty fine nay nay. i smell jealousy! with a dude like pete wentz alot of kids are ignoring the "guitar hero" games and actually picking up instruments! and if his sig model is causing kids to pick up a p bass then dammit im all for it.
i dont know about you guys but i didnt pick up a bass cause i wanted to be vic wooten or larry graham...i was more of a sid vicious kind of kid AND THAT TOOLBAG DIDNT EVEN REALLY PLAY THE BASS! but he did gain my curiosity and when i started playing and took it seriously i learned about the REAL bass players and dipped into the good stuff. so i say god bless a doorknob like pete wentz...he makes 100x the money you do with half your talent and i applaud him for getting over and getting some kids into music good or not.
whats the worst that happens in the "lets be pete wentz" cultural explosion...mommy and daddy shell out tons of money for gear for their "tween" and they either love playing and become musicians or they lose interest and flood the used market with decent gear on the cheap!
i dont know about you guys but i didnt pick up a bass cause i wanted to be vic wooten or larry graham...i was more of a sid vicious kind of kid AND THAT TOOLBAG DIDNT EVEN REALLY PLAY THE BASS! but he did gain my curiosity and when i started playing and took it seriously i learned about the REAL bass players and dipped into the good stuff. so i say god bless a doorknob like pete wentz...he makes 100x the money you do with half your talent and i applaud him for getting over and getting some kids into music good or not.
whats the worst that happens in the "lets be pete wentz" cultural explosion...mommy and daddy shell out tons of money for gear for their "tween" and they either love playing and become musicians or they lose interest and flood the used market with decent gear on the cheap!
now im remembering my GC experience... a middle-aged man walks in and looks at all the basses. he spots the Pete Wentz model and says to the clerk "yeah thats the model. i want 2 of them". i kinda eavesdropped in finding out his two boys were interested in FOB rather than actually learning an instrument... pisses me off
Age has nothing to do with my opinion. I think they both are/were derivative radio "rock." To each his own.I pretty sure the same things about "All the same stuff, adding nothing, style over substance, no talent" had been said about the 'Crue back in the 80s, as well. But they're stuff has aged remarkably well, and I'm sure FOB fans will be saying, "This new band in 2018 sucks; its nothing like the ROCK that was brought by Fall Out Boy!" Its all a cycle; one generations ****** derivative radio-rock is anothers youth-cult to be revered for the rest of their lives! Nothing wrong with that; just admit it
here's why I dont like wentz. He seems to have become famous more for his looks more than his ability. Im still in high school and he is one of the few bass players that almost everyone can name(espeically girls). But if you ask them if they think he is a good bassist, they usually respond with "I dont know". If you're going to become famous and have your own mass produced custom instrument, it should be because of ridiculous skill(whatever that may mean to you).
I know I started the whole Crue talk in the thread, but... I am going out on a limb here
.... I am gonna say most of their songs were not written with the sole interest of radio play. They pretty much made a big enough impact with the public that the radio didn't have a choice but to give the people what they wanted. Songs about strippers, drug dealers, drug addiction, sex, etc weren't exactly embraced with open arms. It spearheaded censorship in the music industry and warning labels on records, etc.
Agree with that lifestyle or not, the boys were just doing what came natural at the time, and writing songs about life. And they crossed genres, created original unique music, and happened to be insanely popular at some point along the way.
Fall Out Boy on the otherhand.... its just a boy band for the "Emo rock" genre which... ugh, kill me.... I cannot believe exists. The songs are written with tweens, and radio and MTV in mind, and that is terrible.
Why do people equate selling a lot of records with good ability or good music? How many albums has Britney Spears (or any other person in that genre of music) sold?
I don't like Pete Wentz. I think he is a tool and I think he sucks as a bass player. The band obviously writes music to please a specific genre of people and it seems they do so well. You couldn't pay me to listen to them though. I'd rather have a knife in my ears. However, just because they write music that is popular and sells a lot of records doesn't mean that they are good players or that their playing is above criticism.
I don't understand how people equate selling records with writing good music. The two are not necessarily tied together.
Listen to Fall Out Boys first record, "Take This to your Grave". Its an album written when they were still teenagers, and its about teenager things. Of course it appeals to teens! Now, they may be in an artistic holding pattern since then ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"), but there's nothing disingenous about that album. Its fantastic.
Edit: 100 get!
Fantastic might be a stretch. Green Day was the same way with 39/Smooth and Kerplunk. They tried to evolve. Musically I would say thay sort of succeeded. As for making music I can stomach, they failed miserably.
