PF50 and Barefaced 410 cab?

[alexclaber]

What do you think, would a pf50 be loud enough using a Barefaced 410 cab for the following application: band rehersal (medium loud rock band, drums, guitar and bass) + gigs (PA supported)? Or best to get a bigger amp, ex V4B?

Thanks!

Depends on the tone you're after, how loud everyone else is and how much space you have in the mix. Email for a more detailed answer! (Which will always involve a variant of my standard question: What's your current rig, what do you like/dislike about it, especially the loudness/tone/punch/bottom in your loudest situation?)

 

[wintremute]

The people getting caught up on the "50" have probably not experience this amp. This amp is MUCH louder than you think it will be.





Andy Irvine was gigging with it using a 2x10 and a 1x15.



So I think it is quite possible to gig it with a barefaced 4x10.

I believe that @JimmyM is also currently gigging with one.

 

[MarshallAC50Stack]

Do you already have the Barefaced Bass 410? If not, buy one first, then you can shuffle through heads until you find the one you like!

 

[Bertone]

Depends on the tone you're after, how loud everyone else is and how much space you have in the mix. Email for a more detailed answer! (Which will always involve a variant of my standard question: What's your current rig, what do you like/dislike about it, especially the loudness/tone/punch/bottom in your loudest situation?)

@alexclaber , which would be louder, the 410 or the 212 (super twin)?

 

[JimmyM]

The people getting caught up on the "50" have probably not experience this amp. This amp is MUCH louder than you think it will be.





Andy Irvine was gigging with it using a 2x10 and a 1x15.



So I think it is quite possible to gig it with a barefaced 4x10.

I believe that @JimmyM is also currently gigging with one.

I have to admit to being a little lazy and using my PF350 a lot more than a tube amp snob should

 

[paskisti]

I have to admit to being a little lazy and using my PF350 a lot more than a tube amp snob should

Are they close enough soundwise?

 

[Wasnex]

@alexclaber , which would be louder, the 410 or the 212 (super twin)?

The Four 10 has a sensitivity of 101dB 1W1/m.

The Super Twin has a sensitivity of 100dB 1W/1m.

Given equal power, the Four 10 will be 1dB louder.

I would expect some tonal difference between these two cabs. Since the SPL difference is essentially insignificant, I would choose the cab that best meets my tone requirements. Ideally you would demo both cabs and pick the one you like best.

Other Considerations:
The Super Twin is lighter and narrower, but costs an extra 100 GBP

Super Twin is 4 ohms
Four 10 is 8 ohms

The impedance could be a factor down the road if you decide to get a second cab. Generally 8 ohms is a better choice because the majority of amps are rated for 4 ohms minimum. The PF50T is rated 4 ohms or 8 ohms. So it can push only one Super Twin. But it can push a pair of Four 10s. A pair of 410s will be like doubling the power...the volume goes up approximately +3dB.

 

[JimmyM]

Are they close enough soundwise?

You can tell a difference for sure, but I think they have similar vibes.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Does that mean anything? The efficiency of the whole speaker system with a given level of power matters more than how much of a share each driver gets.

Are you assuming a flat EQ curve? Do you play with a flat curve?

 

[dbsfgyd1]

SVT’s put out 270 watts, and the first ones were run into two 810 cabinets, not just one - the original speakers weren’t rated anywhere near what they are today. 270/16 = 16.8 watts per speaker.

Great. OP has one cab.

 

[micguy]

Great. OP has one cab.

Which isn’t what we were discussing at that point.

 

[Clark Westfield]

I’m not sure on the whole volume calculation, but I can guarantee it will sound amazing!

 

[Zbysek]

I gig with PF-20T feeding 1x12 cabinet...

 

[pie_man_25]

I'm getting by with a pf500 and a 115 without issue. It sounds good, fits in my car and was affordable and light enough to be a non issue going up and down ice covered stairs at 330 am.

On stage it'd be no big deal if you've got pa support. At practice, if it's not loud enough somebody's too loud I would say - but what do I know.

Ultimately the proof of the pudding is in the eating - I don't know how loud your band rehearses or sounds at small gigs, and I don't know the pf50t and how it would sound maxed out into a barefaced 410. The way I see it, if you've got enough money for a barefaced you can afford a bigger head to go with it - so you might as well and only buy once.

 

[alexclaber]

@alexclaber , which would be louder, the 410 or the 212 (super twin)?

It depends.

You can't simplify this stuff down to a handful of numbers, it's far too complex. But given the right (exact and precise) information then I can give an accurate answer.

 

[77FenderJazz]

I have the PF-50T and have run it with a 112, 210, 212 and 410. If you aren’t looking for a pristine, clean tone, you can probably keep up in the scenario you’re talking about but you’ll have to really turn up the preamp. if you were looking for a somewhat clean tone, I would say you need at least 100 tube watts and maybe closer to tube watts. With an 800 watts class D amp, all of my cabinet configurations are loud and clean.

 

[77FenderJazz]