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Played my 1st gig without an amp!

Nov 19, 2014
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This weekend, played an outdoor gig with no amp, actually the whole band did and it worked great. I used IEM's and the rest of the band used powered wedges and we got a ton of complements about how clean and balanced everything was. Now I have but one dilemma,
what to do with my 6-10 Markbass rig? I know this setup is a lot easier on my back. Anyone else using the DI setups for live gigs? I think I'm late to the party, but better late than never.
 
After dabbling with it once or twice in recent years, I've taken the plunge. I've got my SansAmp RBI mounted in my PA rack case (mixer, power supply, six channel headphone amp) and have gone ampless for the last few gigs. We use 15" mains so they can handle kick and bass in moderate amounts. It's even better when we use subs for larger/outdoor gigs.

Honestly don't miss the cab as much as I thought and with IEMs, the bass is EVERYWHERE! Mwahahaha!

I certainly don't miss humping a bass cab along with my PA system. The system I've put together is about as streamlined as you can get.
 
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CONGRATS !!
Wave of the future !!
I've been ampless for 99.99% of my gigs since Oct 2016. Haven't used an amp at church in 5+ yrs.. For secular band, I built a pedalboard with wireless unit, tuner, compressor, chorus and either an Ampeg SCRDI or Tech 21 Bass Deluxe DI (depending on my mood, but mostly the Ampeg) that DI's to PA.

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Same here! Last weekend was my first gig with no amp behind me. After 4 years of watching the guitarist show up with just his Fractal Audio rig, pedalboard and guitars, I took the plunge. I run sound for the band and had a good idea of what I needed. We have Mackie 1521 powered mains and 2 powered Carvin 18 subs. We usually run 2 Mackie SRM450s as monitors up front and a smaller monitor in back for the drummer. I run a DI from my pedal board SanAmp to the PA. Also use a Line6 wireless so I can get out front periodically to check the FOH balance. I did bring the GK MB115 just in case, but never turned in on! We are a female fronted 4-piece cover band with just guitar bass and drums.

The experiment was awesome! I found that I needed very little bass in the monitors as I could hear the bass in the FOH pretty well. I run one monitor mix for the front and a separate one for the drummer. The goal is to have the monitor mix approximate the FOH mix so the guitarist knows where is he volume-wise for solos. The vocals are always on top of the instruments so the vocalist usually has no issues hearing herself. The gig went great! The stage volume was so much better. My plan is go this way for most club gigs that I run sound for. Now what to do with the room full of amps and cabs I've collected over 40 years! :)
 
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Been ampless for years now. Drummer and I use IEM and I setup powered wedges for singer and guitar player.
I love as there is no amp noise competing with FOH. Much easier to set levels for shows.

I've messed around with some pedal boards, went through a phase where i plug bass direct in from wireless to A&H mixer (they have pretty decent EQ on channel strips). Lately, just went back ti BDDI to mixer. pretty nice sounding as usual. IMO, that is where the BDDI shines, not as a pedal going to an amp but simply a DI with a tube amp sound direct to mixer.

I'm doing a gig next month for a friend and I'll have to actually bring my amp. I'll actually have to carry a speaker cabinet. haha
 
Been ampless for years now. Drummer and I use IEM and I setup powered wedges for singer and guitar player.
Quick question, are you running bass into those wedges? If so what brand/model are they? I have a pair of Kustom KPX112PM and they're fine for guitar and vox but can't really handle much bass. My band is very similar in that drummer and I are both on IEMs and guitar and singer are using (my poopy) wedges.
 
Quick question, are you running bass into those wedges? If so what brand/model are they? I have a pair of Kustom KPX112PM and they're fine for guitar and vox but can't really handle much bass. My band is very similar in that drummer and I are both on IEMs and guitar and singer are using (my poopy) wedges.

Surprisingly, I'm using Behringer powered monitors for them. One is a 12" monitor with horn and the other is a 15" monitor with horn. our big money went into the FOH gear (QSC). Honestly, they've worked pretty well over the years and yes i put bass and drum through them without a problem.
 
Quick question, are you running bass into those wedges? If so what brand/model are they? I have a pair of Kustom KPX112PM and they're fine for guitar and vox but can't really handle much bass. My band is very similar in that drummer and I are both on IEMs and guitar and singer are using (my poopy) wedges.

No doubt those are pretty low-end Kustom wedges, and I'm not surprised that you're having trouble with them for bass DI. I've been using wedge speakers almost exclusively for a number of years, and here's what I'll suggest to get the most out of them:

- roll off the low end (or use a dedicated Hi pass filter aka HPF) to a frequency as high as necessary (even 200-250Hz) to get the wedges to a volume that they can tolerate as your requirements dictate...if possible.

- other than at lower volumes, you'll be forever balancing practicality/function at the sacrifice of low end volume/tone. In context you may not miss the sub-low bass as much as you think...or not. You want to be heard, but with a cheap speaker, you can't have everything, right?

- put a compressor/limiter in line last as a protection mechanism for the speakers so that they can handle any dynamic spikes in your playing.This combined with the HPF will go a long way toward maximizing output from the speakers.

The real answer is to just get a higher quality speaker that is designed for better bass response and has internal protection circuitry. That said, I own a pair of 15" coaxial Seismic wedges, and a pair of 10" Seismic wedges. Both are passive and have been driven by a discrete power amp or the power section of a bass amp, or a bona fide bass head. They aren't terribly expensive (maybe $300/pair), but I've had the 15" wedges cranked up pretty loud before any issues.

These days I'm not messing around and I'm using a much higher quality pr. of speakers (Atomic CLR, passive) that give me no grief at all. You get what you pay for.

Good luck!
 
No doubt those are pretty low-end Kustom wedges, and I'm not surprised that you're having trouble with them for bass DI. I've been using wedge speakers almost exclusively for a number of years, and here's what I'll suggest to get the most out of them:You get what you pay for.

Good luck!
Thanks for the tips, I'll do some more testing at rehearsal this weekend. I understand you get what you pay for but I'm a bit reluctant to spend much more on monitoring, I've already dropped enough coin on my IEM rig. I feel like it shouldn't be solely up to me to cover everyone else's monitors as well. Part of this is driven by my quest to go ampless but if I end up having to lug a bunch of wedges around also that kind of defeats the point!
 
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Thanks for the tips, I'll do some more testing at rehearsal this weekend. I understand you get what you pay for but I'm a bit reluctant to spend much more on monitoring, I've already dropped enough coin on my IEM rig. I feel like it shouldn't be solely up to me to cover everyone else's monitors as well. Part of this is driven by my quest to go ampless but if I end up having to lug a bunch of wedges around also that kind of defeats the point!

I understand completely. Lightweight, high performance, small full-range cabinets are quite expensive.
 
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Our band just went to IEM's which has me considering going without an amp.

I use a GK Plex, which I DI out from to our PA. The sound through the mains was actually pretty good and my band mates even said it sounded great in the mix.

Now that I can hear myself really well with the IEM's, I'm thinking of doing our next gig without the amp.

Carrying only my bass and a backpack is a very attractive proposition.
 
I have to keep bringing the amp because neither the guitarist or keyboard player I work with use IEM's. We also don't have wedges I can fold the bass through. The other guys use small hotspots for vocals. So the amp fills the stage and the room. But last night I was playing a blues trio gig in a small bar. While tuning and warming up prior to the gig the IEM's sounded so good I forgot the amp was off. We were several bars into the first song before the guitarist alerted me the amp wasn't on. Oops! Point being, in a different situation (full PA support and appropriate monitors for everybody) I could go without the amp and never miss it.
 

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