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Playing in a band

I play in an original band with an amazing guitar player that has zero knowledge of music theory.
He can play through a whole song and nail it but was unable to show me parts of the songs.
I guess his brain just works that way.

I had to record the practices and learn the songs by ear at home.
 
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This is a not uncommon trait of many players just starting out. As they become more experienced and apply themselves, the theory and knowledge of how music works usually develops as well.

The most positive advice I can offer is that this is a marvelous opportunity to develop your listening and ear training abilities. You will need that ability, even when playing with people who are knowledgeable musicians. Things like key, time, harmony, etc, are only the beginning of what you need. Ultimately your ability to listen will matter just as much, if not more.
 
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When I first started playing I encountered this a number of times. It inspired me to start learning to play guitar so I could recognize the chords. I also used this as an opportunity to learn music theory and improve my ear training.
 
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I played guitar for many years, with the knowledge of a few basic chord shapes and a good ear. I could fake it pretty well without ever learning any theory, many songs were never played correctly but still sounded OK. I'm sure it was very frustrating to folks I used to jam with, and this was long before YouTube and phone apps. As others have said if the folks that you're jamming with are something you want to continue, then make it a shared learning experience. The point you can make is that understanding the fretboard a bit, really makes playing easier as you don't have to memorize as much. But it took me many years and moving over to bass to understand that.

Good luck...
 
So I have been trying to find other musicians to jam with and I have run into the problem of guitar players unable to tell me what key they are playing or what chords they are playing. They can play by ear but can’t give me any information on what they are doing. I have to look at their fretboard and follow along or just ask questions. This always leads to problems with the guitar player. Is this a common problem? What can I do to overcome this. I can’t play by ear when it comes to playing along. But I do just fine as long as I now the key and progression

Yes, common with self taught players.

I hear you. Communication is huge in a band setting, and not having the musical vocabulary to communicate really slows things down. That is why written music was developed.

On a sidebar for your personal development. I'm not sure what resources you have, but a course in music theory would do you a world of good. That way, it will help you understand and identify what is going on. You will not be so dependent of other trying to explain what they are doing when it's beyond their ability to communicate.

Second thing else you may find useful. The App Chordfy as a song learning tool. You get a chord sheet and the record to play along with. You pick what songs you want to work on. There are over 20,000 songs in the library. I've been pulling songs from 60 years ago that I'm sure are not in their library, and they fetch those too and add them to my work list. I would imaging that most of the 20,000 are from after the turn of century.

Best wishes.
 
I'd rather play with someone with very good ears that can follow anything by ear than with someone I have to spell out the chord progression to.

Put that way, anyone would probably prefer that.
but I'm not sure where you picked out that dichotomy from the OP
Nowhere was it implied that anyone involved had such a skill.
Simply that some guitarists were unable to communicate the chords.

Most of the gigs I have played , charts were par for the course,
And the best "ear" players were also the most musically literate.
In that context, "spelling out the chord progression" ( i.e., handing out charts )
solves so many practical problems that I would not dismiss it offhand.
With good charts and good musicians you can be gig ready in one ( or zero ) rehearsals

That's my experience anyhoo
 
I can play by ear and do it all the time, but I would get very frustrated with a guitarist who could not at least tell me what key the tune is in. Especially if it is a blues jam and everyone is supposed to start together...

Reminds me a little of a guitarist I played with who refused to tune. He said his Taylor was an incredible instrument and of a quality that did not go out of tune. It was never in tune and he didn't care (couldnt hear it?). That can make playing by ear challenging...oh, and he could not / would not play B or B minor chords. :unsure:
 
Put that way, anyone would probably prefer that.
but I'm not sure where you picked out that dichotomy from the OP
Nowhere was it implied that anyone involved had such a skill.
Simply that some guitarists were unable to communicate the chords.

Most of the gigs I have played , charts were par for the course,
And the best "ear" players were also the most musically literate.
In that context, "spelling out the chord progression" ( i.e., handing out charts )
solves so many practical problems that I would not dismiss it offhand.
With good charts and good musicians you can be gig ready in one ( or zero ) rehearsals

That's my experience anyhoo

That's fair, I was more trying to over-emphasize the importance of having a good ear than simply relating to the OP's particular situation. Might have been a bit heavy handed though.
To the OP, you want to get to a point where you just play random songs you've never heard before and can call out the changes as they are happening, at least for mostly diatonic changes. It might take a while to get there, along with basic music theory, but I do believe it can be something that can be improved with some work.
 
Cross-fertilizations -- like that. Most "ear" people can not help you, because they rely upon something that we tin ear people do not have. Because they get along fine with their ear most never got deep enough in the theory stream to know what is happening, so good luck asking them questions.

The only thing ear players have that tin-ear players don't, is practice listening. I know, I was one of the tin ears. But if you know 2 things, you can go a looong way.

Forget about watching the guitarist. I've had guitarists intentionally turn away. And if they're playing in an altered tuning or with a capo, you're forked.

First, learn how to find the key. Flip on a video of a live show, and play along, and just keep going until you hit on the key. It's easier than you think. I personally like to do it with someone like BB King, because he'll often call out a key, or tell you to start on 1 or 5 or whatever. You can do the same at jam, but it's easier to do it by video. After a while, you can probably learn to hear and identify many keys, especially the common ones. It still gives me a kick to hear something and know what key it's in!

Second, learn the major scale, because damn near everything you play is going to be based on a note in that scale, in whatever key you're playing. And on bass, those notes are always in the same place relative to one another. You're generally going to be playing the 1, the 4, the 5, sometimes the 6 or the 2. When you know where those are, you're golden. And soon, you'll be able to hear not only what degree of the scale you need to be on, but you'll probably be able to anticipate what's going to come next, even in a song you've never heard!

With some practice, you'll learn to hear what you're playing, the same way you learned to talk to others and carry on a conversation!
 
And soon, you'll be able to hear not only what degree of the scale you need to be on, but you'll probably be able to anticipate what's going to come next, even in a song you've never heard!

This. The ability to predict the next chord is very fun and can turn into a game. It usually is not completely uninformed though since a lot of other elements might hint to you that the most logical next chord would be a V for instance (unless it is not, then we are intrigued lol).
The main take away is that hearing the changes as numbers in your head just takes practice, like any other skill.
 
One of the finest lead players I gigged with[Legend in local area] could hear a song once and play it to perfection.
Once when a Singer sat in with us She asked to do song in 'C'. He asked were a 'C' was on my Bass and to play the note.

It came to me a few seconds later he had no Idea were a 'C' was on his Guitar unless he heard it first.
 
My current crop of musos can play by ear, and can read a chart, but asking what key a song is in sometimes gives strange results. It starts on an Am so the key is "A" or it starts on an F (the 5th) so it is in F. At least it doesn't take long to work out where they are and follow along. I am in the process of trying to develop my ear because these blokes only know enough theory to be dangerous.. (I am knowledgeable enough to be a danger to myself)
 
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There are ear players and there are key players and the best thing they can each do is learn to communicate with each other. I'm an ear player, but I know what chords I'm playing because I spent years learning things from the other people I was in bands with. Just show them. There's nothing inherently wrong with they way either of you are doing things but you need to learn to communicate with each other, and they will learn that this is necessary if you are patient.
 
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asking what key a song is in sometimes gives strange results.

This is the rule rule rather than the exception, given the influence of blues and jazz on most popular music.

As a beginner I had the false impression that to jam all you needed was to know the song's key and noodle around in that scale (or its modes). This approach was wrong for the majority of popular music, because most tunes use some non diatonic chords.

This is why, for the task of ear playing, chord tones and chord progressions are more immediately useful to train your ears with vs intervals, scales and modes. (naturally you want an ear for all of it in the long run)
 
One of the finest lead players I gigged with[Legend in local area] could hear a song once and play it to perfection. Once when a Singer sat in with us She asked to do song in 'C'. He asked where a 'C' was on my Bass and to play the note. It came to me a few seconds later he had no Idea where a 'C' was on his Guitar unless he heard it first.
An ear rhythm guitarist stood in front of me and when I did a slash chord his shoulders would bunch up as I was not playing THE same thing he was.

Finally explained that we bassists play the slash and leave the before the slash to him. Sholders never bunched up again.

Yep, we need to communicate with each other.