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Playing open...What should I do?

floopy said:
Must admit, I do the same thing myself :) For E and A I pretty much always use the 7th fret in preference to the 2nd, but I also use the open string for the 'octave down'.

I kinda like having the two root notes right next to each other, plus you can 'pedal' (if that's the right term) with the open string, and play scale notes on the higher one.

So I use the open strings, but while playing the fretted notes up from the 5th mostly.

Yeah, I use mostly E and A, open. D & G, not so much.

Cherie :-)
 
txbasschik said:
I'd like to master the "drone". I think that sounds very cool.

Cherie :)

Ok, here's what you do... light up some of that nag champa (and anything else that smells nice ;) ), sit cross-legged on a comfy pillow, bass in hand.

Now, using only the D and G string play this;

Code:
Simultaneous drone+melody

Right hand = index and middle finger simultaneously
'tapping' D and G - they 'bounce' on the strings
near the neck.

G -7--9--10-12--9--7--2--4--5--4--2h420h2--------
D -0--0--0--0---0--0--0--0--0--0--0----------------
A ---------------------------------------------------
E ---------------------------------------------------

The 2h420h2 is a fast 'trill' thing
a sort of middle-eastern phrase-ender

Alternate drone+melody

Right hand = thumb plucking D 
and index and middle playing G 
like a classical guitar player.

G ---7---9---10---9---7---2---4---5---4---2h420h2--
D -0---0---0----0---0---0---0---0---0---0-0-----------
A -----------------------------------------------------
E -----------------------------------------------------

all ya gotta do is play around with scales on the G string and constantly hit the open D while you slide around. Let all the notes ring like crazy. Like bells. That way, when you do a trill or other quick part, they really stand out in contrast.

I do this all the time with a my guitar player/collaborator who also plays the bazooki or mandocello (a bass mandolin) that sounds a lot like a sitar. A lot of what we play has that ragga/middle-eastern thing that the drone D while playing scales on G works really well on.

Depending on the intensity, you can rake these drone or use your thumb like a pick - or even use a pick. A pick sounds really good doing this technique.
 
Let the meeting of the 'Those who rarely use open strings society' come to order! All rise and recite the pledge;

I (state your name) promise as a loyal member of the TWRUOSS do solemnly promise to, whenever possible, avoid open strings at all costs; to faithfully utilize the 5th fret over a non-fretted alternatives; and to remain true to the 'fingers on at all costs' creed. BawChicaBawBaw!

Be seated.

(JUST KIDDING GUYS!!! I want everyone to do what they are most comfy doing too! I swear!)
 
tonedeaf said:
I'm with TZer, I've never thought of open vs 5th fret as distinct playing techniques. I always play whichever one sounds best and/or is most convenient for the song being played.

It's always felt to me like the song itself reveals which fretboard position to play. Given the same key, some songs just sort of lend themselves to open strings, and some to the 5th fret approach. I'm pretty sure this is something that would be unique to every player, and not specific to a song.

There have been times, however, when my playing of a particular song has benefited by switching to the technique that felt less natural at first, and sometimes I play the one that feels less natural just for the discipline of it.

I'm always open to suggestions from any musician I respect, but as far as having a particular technique mandated to me. . .:spit:

Yeah, I think that's what is bothering me...having a particular technique mandated to me.

I play open when it feels right...but it doesn't often feel right for me. I've been trying to practice open, but, having to learn a lot of new stuff in a short time, I keep going back to playing fretted. I will keep trying open, just to have the skill, but I don't much like this drummer telling me how to play.

Cherie
 
Sandwich Man said:
Open string notes are just like any other. Watch Victor Wooten use them to perfection for ringing effect or watch Entwistle use them for speed and efficiency.

Open strings are your friends.

I get all...*off*. Lose track of where I am. I do use them occasionally, when I can do so without causing a train wreck, but they too often cause my trains to wreck.

Trying to use open strings more, but not liking it very much...

Cherie
 
tZer said:
Ok, here's what you do... light up some of that nag champa (and anything else that smells nice ;) ), sit cross-legged on a comfy pillow, bass in hand.

Now, using only the D and G string play this;

Code:
Simultaneous drone+melody

Right hand = index and middle finger simultaneously
'tapping' D and G - they 'bounce' on the strings
near the neck.

G -7--9--10-12--9--7--2--4--5--4--2h420h2--------
D -0--0--0--0---0--0--0--0--0--0--0----------------
A ---------------------------------------------------
E ---------------------------------------------------

The 2h420h2 is a fast 'trill' thing
a sort of middle-eastern phrase-ender

Alternate drone+melody

Right hand = thumb plucking D 
and index and middle playing G 
like a classical guitar player.

G ---7---9---10---9---7---2---4---5---4---2h420h2--
D -0---0---0----0---0---0---0---0---0---0-0-----------
A -----------------------------------------------------
E -----------------------------------------------------

all ya gotta do is play around with scales on the G string and constantly hit the open D while you slide around. Let all the notes ring like crazy. Like bells. That way, when you do a trill or other quick part, they really stand out in contrast.

I do this all the time with a my guitar player/collaborator who also plays the bazooki or mandocello (a bass mandolin) that sounds a lot like a sitar. A lot of what we play has that ragga/middle-eastern thing that the drone D while playing scales on G works really well on.

Depending on the intensity, you can rake these drone or use your thumb like a pick - or even use a pick. A pick sounds really good doing this technique.

OMG, I got a headache when I tried that. This will take a lot of practice on my part. But I like that "drone" sound, so I'll try it.

I did better with my thumb, than with a pick. I never have been any good with a pick, unless the song is really, really easy. Yet another skill I need to pick up. I prefer fingerstyle, but sometimes, you really do need to pick.

Thanks!

Cherie :)
 
txbasschik said:
Hey, I like that one! I've never heard that before.

Cherie :)

My dad was full of those pithy little sayings:

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride
If frog had wings, they would not bump their butts.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Actions speak louder then words.
Good intentions and a nickel will get you a piece of gum.
If brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose.

I have been in a 'recording mood' lately. I will see about laying down some 'drone' stuff and posting it. Maybe hearing it will make that tab make more sense. It is really not as hard as it seems. It is actually a very 'natural' thing. You just sort of throw you fingers at the frets and the strings that it happens.

--tz
 
Smallmouth_Bass said:
I find it depends on what type of music you're playing. If it's rock, then I find it is more consistent and better to play mostly fretted notes. With jazz and walking lines, it's nice to throw them in there and mix it up. Open strings just ring brighter and it's not necessarily better for all situations.

No wonder! I've been playing more rock than anything else. Garage, alt, alt-country, classic, punk, some metal...very few blues-type walking lines. But the new band is mainly blues...blues, blues, and more blues. (Much too much SRV and S. Tedeschy for my taste...I like to go deeper and older, with the blues. But it ain't my band. I'm just the bassist.)

Cherie :bassist:
 
tZer said:
My dad was full of those pithy little sayings:

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride
If frog had wings, they would not bump their butts.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Actions speak louder then words.
Good intentions and a nickel will get you a piece of gum.
If brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose.

I have been in a 'recording mood' lately. I will see about laying down some 'drone' stuff and posting it. Maybe hearing it will make that tab make more sense. It is really not as hard as it seems. It is actually a very 'natural' thing. You just sort of throw you fingers at the frets and the strings that it happens.

--tz

You sure your daddy weren't from the South? LOL!

Thank you!!! I'd love to hear that, recorded. But only if you feel like it and have time! I'll be flogging away trying to just learn the songs for the next gig, anyway. I have to have them just right...error is death, in a 3-piece.

Cherie :)
 
txbasschik said:
You sure your daddy weren't from the South? LOL!

Thank you!!! I'd love to hear that, recorded. But only if you feel like it and have time! I'll be flogging away trying to just learn the songs for the next gig, anyway. I have to have them just right...error is death, in a 3-piece.

Cherie :)

If by 'from the south' you mean 'from Hell'... (JK) Dad fancied himself a clever man and we don't have the heart to tell him otherwise! LOL

And I am in a 'phase' these days with recording stuff, so it will be no problem - if that mood hits me and the time permits (no kids hanging on my head or 'honey do' things that have to get honey done) - but I had a good run on Sunday where I was able to do some fun stuff, so if and when I do, I will post it and let you know.