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Pope given last rites
- Thread starter SomecallmeTim
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In the conservitve orthodox circles he is already being called Pope John Paul II the Great. Holy Father my prayers are with you and the Church.
Have any hangups you want with the Catholic Church, but this Pope was a good Pope who formally apologised for a lot of things no previous Pope was strong enough to apologise for such as the crusades and a lack of help durring the hollocaust.
The "Last rites" sacrament in the Catholic church is an interesting concept and to be honest I wouldnt read too much into it....my Grandmother was given the last rites and then died 10 YEARS LATER!!!
Having being raised a Catholic (but am now "non practicing") I have the greatest admiration for JP2 (as an ordained priest buddy of mine refers to the pope), he has been criticised for his position on contraception/homosexuality /divorce/abortion etc. but bear in mind according to Catholic Doctrine the Pope is "Infallible" and if previous pontiffs have declared that contaception/homosexuality etc is against God's law ..then its nearly impossible for a present day pontiff to "reverse" those decisions no matter what the social/economic climate of the day is.
John Paul the 2nd was/is the first truly "peoples" pope, he's the most travelled/revered pope in decades (heck he visited Ireland in '79 and more people went to see him than a typical U2 concert )
And by all accounts he was a great goal keeper
Murf
Having being raised a Catholic (but am now "non practicing") I have the greatest admiration for JP2 (as an ordained priest buddy of mine refers to the pope), he has been criticised for his position on contraception/homosexuality /divorce/abortion etc. but bear in mind according to Catholic Doctrine the Pope is "Infallible" and if previous pontiffs have declared that contaception/homosexuality etc is against God's law ..then its nearly impossible for a present day pontiff to "reverse" those decisions no matter what the social/economic climate of the day is.
John Paul the 2nd was/is the first truly "peoples" pope, he's the most travelled/revered pope in decades (heck he visited Ireland in '79 and more people went to see him than a typical U2 concert )
And by all accounts he was a great goal keeper
Murf
I think he'll be remembered most for sticking it to the Kremlin (along with Lech Walesa) during the solidarity movement.
http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/walesa.html
Both great men.
Mike
http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/walesa.html
Both great men.
Mike
And his survival in Nazi-occupied Poland during WWII. Pope John Paul has come a long way and has led in an inter-generational way the entire journey. An amazing life indeed!Michael Jewels said:I think he'll be remembered most for sticking it to the Kremlin (along with Lech Walesa) during the solidarity movement.
http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/walesa.html
Both great men.
Mike
Pope John Paul II is another example of ordinary people doing extraordinary things. The Bible is full of examples of flawed, average Joe-type people thrust into situations that required taking one's game to a new level. I think it's a good lesson for all of us........... You don't ever know what you're truly capable of until events force you to mine your untapped greatness.
This is a man that has faced down superpowers, fought through an assassination attempt, flew in the face of his own church's past convictions, has faced advancing age and deteriorating health with grace and dignity, and taught multiple generations right from wrong.
The Pope has well and truly walked the walk. He has earned his rich reward on the other side. Godspeed..........
Fo
This is a man that has faced down superpowers, fought through an assassination attempt, flew in the face of his own church's past convictions, has faced advancing age and deteriorating health with grace and dignity, and taught multiple generations right from wrong.
The Pope has well and truly walked the walk. He has earned his rich reward on the other side. Godspeed..........
Fo
I feel this will be a great loss to many catholics , though im anglican i cant ignore how great the pope was , i would of never of thought that a goalkeeper for real madrid would become head of the catholic church
Murf said:
Partially incorrect. The Church only believes that the Pope is infallible when speaking about Church Doctrine/Law, not all the time.
John Paul II, Bishop of Rome, was an amazing leader for the church. I was surprised to see that he has not resigned yet (Popes can and have resigned), as there were some pretty big rumours going around that he would.
When the time does come to elect a new Pope, I hope we end up with one like John XXIII.
Nick man said:
And trying to re-establish contact with the Greek Orthodox church. I don't know if any other Pope's ever even considered doing something like that.
Against Will said:
The Greek Orthodox (and other orthodox) Church and Catholic Churches will probably never be rejoined, due to the fact that the "Pope" is why they broke away.
John Deppel said:
Well the trip to meet with the Greek Orthodox bishops wasn't a very successful one. But the fact that he wanted to, and the fact that he made an effort is still a bold move, I think. You may be right about them never being rejoined, but there may still be a chance for some reconciliation.
During the Second Vatican Council Many Eastern Orthodox churches were reunited with Rome so their is still hope for a reunited One Holy Catholic Church .
MAJOR METAL said:
I don't ever think it will happen. Since after the Bishop of Rome became "Pope," (to make a long story short) the Bishop of Constantinople excommunicated the Bishop of Rome, and the Bishop of Rome did the same. We've been two separate faiths since. The Catholic Church has also gone through a second Vatican Council, which many Orthodox sechs did not, increasing the rift between the two faiths. They are still extremely similar, and extremely different at the same time. Keep in mind also, that the Catholic Church underwent some heavy changes shortly after the Protestant Reformation, IIRC.
John Deppel said:
I understand the split between the East and West, its sad we cant be united as one body in Faith but each tradition is rich in antiquity.I realize more and more just how deeply devided it all is. I dont think realistically it will ever happen but it would be a great day if they could unite.
MAJOR METAL said:
Well, that's why we have "Christian Unity Sunday," which is, what, the 2nd or 3rd Sunday in January?
And we will join together one day. According to Revelations, all churches will join together during the Thousand-Year-Reign.
Well, just to add to the topic, it looks as if these are the last hours of the pope.
This man has done a lot of good but I will never accept some of his espoused viewpoints. The Catholic church has caused a lot of harm during its existance and John Paul was the first to acknowledge and apologize for some of it. For that alone he has my respect.
This man has done a lot of good but I will never accept some of his espoused viewpoints. The Catholic church has caused a lot of harm during its existance and John Paul was the first to acknowledge and apologize for some of it. For that alone he has my respect.
