Precarious situation?

[agedhorse]

I think he is fine.

 

[bdplaid]

You won't need to plug your bottom cab in at that rate.

A single 115 just won't keep up in that situation. It won't sound deep enough. It's why I have two of them. I imagine the Rumble will do much of the same that SW115 will, namely, fatten up the sound.

FWIW, I like the Rumble V3 115s, although I've never used more than one, never at high volume. I think they have a nice growl to them.

But, it's no SW115, which IMO is the best single 15 ever made. It's so versatile, I'll argue with you that it's the best single any cab ever made. The only downside - and this is true for all cabs - it runs out of breath at high volumes where one need a deep thump. That's where you need two speakers at least. And two SW115s will sound like a sub if you want.

 

[Downunderwonder]

A single 115 just won't keep up in that situation. It won't sound deep enough. It's why I have two of them. I imagine the Rumble will do much of the same that SW115 will, namely, fatten up the sound.

FWIW, I like the Rumble V3 115s, although I've never used more than one, never at high volume. I think they have a nice growl to them.

But, it's no SW115, which IMO is the best single 15 ever made. It's so versatile, I'll argue with you that it's the best single any cab ever made. The only downside - and this is true for all cabs - it runs out of breath at high volumes where one need a deep thump. That's where you need two speakers at least. And two SW115s will sound like a sub if you want.

you can't say a single won't cut it without first trying what I proscribed in the band in question. A single 15 can assuredly cut it when a band shifts from ''everything louder than everything else'' while blasting their knees with most of it.

 

[Killing Floor]

Just turn 90 degrees, no rubber feet or handles in the way. Plus the increased contact works sonically to your advantage. Plus, except for the dreaded spit-slurp, gravity has never let me down.

 

[bdplaid]

you can't say a single won't cut it without first trying what I proscribed in the band in question. A single 15 can assuredly cut it when a band shifts from ''everything louder than everything else'' while blasting their knees with most of it.

I can and do say it won't cut it in loud situations. I'm not speaking from a place of no experience. I've had at least one SW115 since they came out, used it/them in many bands and different situations. The worst was two guitarists each with Marshall 412s. That's when I went from 112/115 to double 15s. It was the only thing that worked. And that wasn't the loudest band, actually. The problem was sonic space - they ate up all the midrange, my SW112 was totally lost, so I was essentially using a single 15. Just couldn't be heard.

I also gig with a particularly loud blues band. I'm stymied as to how a Blues Jr can be so loud at 15W. Anyway, Single SW115 runs out of breath by the end of the night. At the beginning of the night, it's so killer.

I was with a prog rock outfit that had the volume mostly under control. The 115 on a tall stand behind me was fine, very growly and I liked it a lot. But, adding the second one added so much depth while also requiring less volume (I backed off the D800+'s volume maybe by a third), I decided I'll always gig with a double 15 from then on.

Thing is, we're supposed to FILL OUT a band, so why do I want to limit what I can do in the deep lows?

Dealing with guitarists and their amplifier quirks are deadly sometimes. IME they hate being told anything, especially where to put the cab. It affects their beloved "tone."

 

[Downunderwonder]

I can and do say it won't cut it in loud situations. I'm not speaking from a place of no experience. I've had at least one SW115 since they came out, used it/them in many bands and different situations. The worst was two guitarists each with Marshall 412s. That's when I went from 112/115 to double 15s. It was the only thing that worked. And that wasn't the loudest band, actually. The problem was sonic space - they ate up all the midrange, my SW112 was totally lost, so I was essentially using a single 15. Just couldn't be heard.

I also gig with a particularly loud blues band. I'm stymied as to how a Blues Jr can be so loud at 15W. Anyway, Single SW115 runs out of breath by the end of the night. At the beginning of the night, it's so killer.

I was with a prog rock outfit that had the volume mostly under control. The 115 on a tall stand behind me was fine, very growly and I liked it a lot. But, adding the second one added so much depth while also requiring less volume (I backed off the D800+'s volume maybe by a third), I decided I'll always gig with a double 15 from then on.

Thing is, we're supposed to FILL OUT a band, so why do I want to limit what I can do in the deep lows?

Dealing with guitarists and their amplifier quirks are deadly sometimes. IME they hate being told anything, especially where to put the cab. It affects their beloved "tone."

the lessening of the overall volume idea is still being ignored, and one LOUD band can be LOUDER than the NEXT

 

[bdplaid]

the lessening of the overall volume idea is still being ignored, and one LOUD band can be LOUDER than the NEXT

It's a great thing to say on TB, but it seems to never work. Volume is always set by the drummer. If he's a loud one on the snare, it's off to the races.

 

[Kipp Harrington]

It's a great thing to say on TB, but it seems to never work. Volume is always set by the drummer. If he's a loud one on the snare, it's off to the races.

ABSOLUTELY! The problem lies there, within. We're not going to "change" how the drummer plays. He's 50 years old and set in his ways. I'd like to get away with a Subway 112 with the SW 115. For now, we'll see how the Rumble hangs with the Mesa 115.

 

[Downunderwonder]

ABSOLUTELY! The problem lies there, within. We're not going to "change" how the drummer plays. He's 50 years old and set in his ways. I'd like to get away with a Subway 112 with the SW 115. For now, we'll see how the Rumble hangs with the Mesa 115.

Get him some pro lessons for his birthday.

 

[Kipp Harrington]

Get him some pro lessons for his birthday.

Nah... I'd rather spend the money on myself and get a couple more Subway cabs and a D-800.

 

[foolforthecity]

Got a new Mesa Subway 115 yesterday. I would like to pair it with my Rumble 115 cab.

I have the Mesa sitting on top of the Rumble. The feet on the Mesa are almost completely making contact with the Rumble cab. Maybe a millimeter or is/are peeking over the edge. I played this setup at Sweetwater before I left with it. I had it at a pretty loud level for a few minutes and I didn't notice any shifting.

I placed the Rumble on top of the Mesa and the feet of the Rumble hand over the sides of the Meds... But not by much at all. I was just thinking that the Mesa being on top (with it's feet contacting the Rumble) would be more secure than the Rumble "straddling" the Mesa with the feet not making contact at all.

I'd like your guys thoughts/suggestions.

Many thanks!

Kipp, I promised a couple of photos of my standard gigging rig, so here they are... so nice to have it all in one simple package, and note for our configuration that the case top doubles as a perfect stand for both my single cab rig as well as a monitor stand for the drummer.

I know you were looking more for an immediate solution to your cab layout, but man I’d respectfully offer up that you sell the Fender bottom and use that cash to help fund a MESA head, then follow that with an additional Subway cab if/as needed. But that’s just me rambling on as I don’t know your specific needs, but wanted you to see this anyway for ideas. FYI, these photos were from last night’s outdoor gig at a big BBQ joint, audience area roughly 100ft wide by 150ft deep. 10 x 40 stage lifted about 16 inches (BOOM BOOM BOOM, notice my Broughton I use to help tame stages like this). This little rig is so powerful that we backed me out of the FOH mix, just not needed.

...and a compound photo from last night thrown in for good measure LOL

 

[foolforthecity]

I can and do say it won't cut it in loud situations. I'm not speaking from a place of no experience. I've had at least one SW115 since they came out, used it/them in many bands and different situations. The worst was two guitarists each with Marshall 412s. That's when I went from 112/115 to double 15s. It was the only thing that worked. And that wasn't the loudest band, actually. The problem was sonic space - they ate up all the midrange, my SW112 was totally lost, so I was essentially using a single 15. Just couldn't be heard.

I also gig with a particularly loud blues band. I'm stymied as to how a Blues Jr can be so loud at 15W. Anyway, Single SW115 runs out of breath by the end of the night. At the beginning of the night, it's so killer.

I was with a prog rock outfit that had the volume mostly under control. The 115 on a tall stand behind me was fine, very growly and I liked it a lot. But, adding the second one added so much depth while also requiring less volume (I backed off the D800+'s volume maybe by a third), I decided I'll always gig with a double 15 from then on.

Thing is, we're supposed to FILL OUT a band, so why do I want to limit what I can do in the deep lows?

Dealing with guitarists and their amplifier quirks are deadly sometimes. IME they hate being told anything, especially where to put the cab. It affects their beloved "tone."

Maybe not in BIG and LOUD situations, but respectfully, my experience differs from yours, apparently. And I don’t play with folks that bring Grateful Dead sized rigs to typical small/medium gigs or have no idea how to control their volume. I too have a little bit of experience, playing 3 or more gigs a week on average, with my small rig having gone through 100 or more shows in the past year. The second bottom only comes out for really big stages, which for this bottom feeder only comes around a few times per year.

And in South Texas you can bet I do my share of old-school “thump thump” country, so a big sound is what I’m after, but in as small a package as possible.

Certainly not trying to stir things up, just wanted to offer another real view of small-time guys actually using gear in real situations. YMMV, buyer beware, chances of side-effects, yada...

 

[Kipp Harrington]

Kipp, I promised a couple of photos of my standard gigging rig, so here they are... so nice to have it all in one simple package, and note for our configuration that the case top doubles as a perfect stand for both my single cab rig as well as a monitor stand for the drummer.

I know you were looking more for an immediate solution to your cab layout, but man I’d respectfully offer up that you sell the Fender bottom and use that cash to help fund a MESA head, then follow that with an additional Subway cab if/as needed. But that’s just me rambling on as I don’t know your specific needs, but wanted you to see this anyway for ideas. FYI, these photos were from last night’s outdoor gig at a big BBQ joint, audience area roughly 100ft wide by 150ft deep. 10 x 40 stage lifted about 16 inches (BOOM BOOM BOOM, notice my Broughton I use to help tame stages like this). This little rig is so powerful that we backed me out of the FOH mix, just not needed.

...and a compound photo from last night thrown in for good measure LOL

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Hey FFTC...

Thank you so much for the pics and all the information you have provided. Looks like it was a good time! What is the object that's to the right of your amp and speaker cab? Is that another type of stand?

I appreciate your suggestions and advice on what the next step should be for me. However, in my particular situation, I'm going to need two cabs because the drummer is so damn loud! This causes the singer in our band to have to bump up the PA a bit. We also have a guitar player that uses a 100 watt Marshall head through a 412 cab.

I am strapped with payments for the next 6 months to pay off the 115 cab. I am trying to sell an Ampeg BA 210 and a Fender Rumble 410 cab to get some cash to put toward either paying off the 115 or finding a used Subway 112.

Thanks for sharing your suggestions and photos. You seem like a really cool guy! I'll try to keep in touch with you since you seem knowledgeable about the Mesa Subway equipment.

Thanks again!

 

[foolforthecity]

Hey FFTC...

Thank you so much for the pics and all the information you have provided. Looks like it was a good time! What is the object that's to the right of your amp and speaker cab? Is that another type of stand?

I appreciate your suggestions and advice on what the next step should be for me. However, in my particular situation, I'm going to need two cabs because the drummer is so damn loud! This causes the singer in our band to have to bump up the PA a bit. We also have a guitar player that uses a 100 watt Marshall head through a 412 cab.

I am strapped with payments for the next 6 months to pay off the 115 cab. I am trying to sell an Ampeg BA 210 and a Fender Rumble 410 cab to get some cash to put toward either paying off the 115 or finding a used Subway 112.

Thanks for sharing your suggestions and photos. You seem like a really cool guy! I'll try to keep in touch with you since you seem knowledgeable about the Mesa Subway equipment.

Thanks again!

Those darn drummers! And Leslie West guitarists, LOL. The biggest problem you’re facing from my perspective is a nuclear escalation onstage... next thing you know, you guys will have a couple of banks of cabs each just so you can hear yourselves (that kind of backline would indeed yield an impressive photo op!). But man, sitting out front of a 115dB onslaught is excruciating.

The case top has room for the drummer’s Yamaha monitor, standing on end. Works quite well.

Good luck with your rig and happy jammin’

 

[foolforthecity]

ABSOLUTELY! The problem lies there, within. We're not going to "change" how the drummer plays. He's 50 years old and set in his ways. I'd like to get away with a Subway 112 with the SW 115. For now, we'll see how the Rumble hangs with the Mesa 115.

A) fire drummer
B) put him behind glass

 

[Kipp Harrington]

Well... "A" is not happening because the drummer and guitar player are best buddies. Also, the drummer has the rehearsal place and the PA system... a pretty nice one.

We suggested a couple of options (including a tri-fold plexiglass shield) for him to tame his attack but he seems adverse to trying anything, We have rehearsal this evening and we are going to try to see if he can use some gel pads on his drums. He didn't seem to like that idea either. But we are going to try to convince him to use them. Or at least try them.

I don't see this going over too well...

 

[AudioTaper]

Well... "A" is not happening because the drummer and guitar player are best buddies. Also, the drummer has the rehearsal place and the PA system... a pretty nice one.

We suggested a couple of options (including a tri-fold plexiglass shield) for him to tame his attack but he seems adverse to trying anything, We have rehearsal this evening and we are going to try to see if he can use some gel pads on his drums. He didn't seem to like that idea either. But we are going to try to convince him to use them. Or at least try them.

I don't see this going over too well...

If he has a nice PA, maybe an electronic kit would be an option?
I know.... theres that CHANGE idea again...

 

[bdplaid]

Maybe not in BIG and LOUD situations, but respectfully, my experience differs from yours, apparently. And I don’t play with folks that bring Grateful Dead sized rigs to typical small/medium gigs or have no idea how to control their volume. I too have a little bit of experience, playing 3 or more gigs a week on average, with my small rig having gone through 100 or more shows in the past year. The second bottom only comes out for really big stages, which for this bottom feeder only comes around a few times per year.

And in South Texas you can bet I do my share of old-school “thump thump” country, so a big sound is what I’m after, but in as small a package as possible.

Certainly not trying to stir things up, just wanted to offer another real view of small-time guys actually using gear in real situations. YMMV, buyer beware, chances of side-effects, yada...

No offense taken, and appreciate the pleasant tone of your post!

I no big deal bassist, either. Back in the day I didn't have time to pee, I was so busy, but these days, I'm retired and play for enjoyment, meaning I only go out when I like the music, or especially, the players.

I also love small equipment. I recall the SVTs I had, then in downsizing, went to 215 cabs (what a hoot saying that, they still weighed approx 100 lbs).

To be clear, no one really needs anything, they simply have to be satisfied with the sound they're getting. For me, even though the 115 is great in many situations, the added coupling/air movement of a double speaker in a vertical array gets it done. I like 15s for that, because, as many know, 15s have better midrange than any other speaker size.

None of this is to say a single SW115 lacks in low end; it doesn't. But if you've played a SW two 15 rig (or I assume the 215 cab), there's just no going back. It's like turning off the bass boost switch on your radio/player.

 

[bdplaid]

If he has a nice PA, maybe an electronic kit would be an option?
I know.... theres that CHANGE idea again...

Do you really like the sound of those kits? Just asking.

 

[Kipp Harrington]

If he has a nice PA, maybe an electronic kit would be an option?
I know.... theres that CHANGE idea again...

Yeah. He definitely would not be good with that! He's kind of hardcore! Really likes to bash. Good solid drummer. Just seems real stubborn in his ways.