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Pro Behringer!
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I got my old Behringer 120 watt combo back from a friend I was lending it to for a while. And with some eq adjustments it actually sounds pretty good for a practice amp and after close to 7 years it's still going strong.
Behringer doesnt make all crap. They made their name on compressors and gates, and those are still pretty decent. Still, I consider them a lot like peavey. They make some good stuff and a lot of mediocre stuff but dont be surprised when it just stops working. It wont be worth getting repaired.
The last part I think is what I most resent about Behringer. They kind of symbolize to me the rush to the bottom that has happened with a lot of electronic gear in teh last few years. It's all gotten so cheap that nobody even tries to get it repaired. So it goes to an e-recycler if you are lucky, more lilkely ends up in a landfill.
Also, behringer stuff just screams "cheap" to me. So I dont have any in my little studio, or my bass rig. I'm 42 years old. Done playing with 2nd rate toys.
The last part I think is what I most resent about Behringer. They kind of symbolize to me the rush to the bottom that has happened with a lot of electronic gear in teh last few years. It's all gotten so cheap that nobody even tries to get it repaired. So it goes to an e-recycler if you are lucky, more lilkely ends up in a landfill.
Also, behringer stuff just screams "cheap" to me. So I dont have any in my little studio, or my bass rig. I'm 42 years old. Done playing with 2nd rate toys.
I see Peavey gear still be used that is 20-30 years old. A lot of their stuff is built like tanks.
You may be making it in a limited way, but I dislike the comparison of Behringer to Peavey. Aside from the fact that Peavey and Behringer products are generally lower-priced, I see the two companies as very different. It starts with the founders: Hartley criticizes the "cow path mentality"; Uli's bread and butter is the cow path.
Peavey has invested heavily in R&D, and has broken a lot of new ground. That hasn't always been successful for them, but they're still doing it. I know less about Behringer's R&D, but it seems oriented more to producing existing products more cheaply.
Modulusman already mentioned durability... there is a lot of old Peavey gear still in service. Too early to say, but I doubt Behringer will match Peavey's record there. I can't comment about Peavey's newer stuff, but in the past, it has generally been durable and repairable.
Despite my good luck with Behringer service, I give the service edge to Peavey. The schematics are available, you can get one fixed almost anywhere, and Peavey's in-house service has a good reputation. My experience there has been limited to phone support, but friends who have sent gear to Peavey for repair have been very happy.
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I bought a Peavey PV10 to use as a rehearsal board. It has a 5 year warranty. Behringer offers a one year. If they had to cover their products for 5 years they would probably be out of business.
i think there's absolutely no comparison between behringer and peavey. there was a time, but that time ended right around 1984-85. and even at their worst, peavey stuff was at least reliable. nowadays i think they're pretty good. not my thing, but they make quality stuff now.
I think Peavey was headed in the right direction a few years ago with the Pro Bass 500, and the 1000 which I don't think was ever released.
The Peavey tube amps are another story..the VB-2 and VB-3 are great amps and quite impressive. It's their solid state amps that I don't care for. IMO/IME
The Peavey tube amps are another story..the VB-2 and VB-3 are great amps and quite impressive. It's their solid state amps that I don't care for. IMO/IME
Somehow this has turned into a Behringer vs Peavey thread. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt a Peavey 5150 a Soldano SLO-100 copy.
Jimmy, like you, I can relate to Peavey and how they were something of an "industry standard" back in the day. You could not go ANYWHERE in Nashville and NOT see Peavey (almost exclusively) being used. This lasted through the late 70s and through most of the 80s.
Of course that was then and this is now.....
And Peavey Bandit, the solid-state guitar amp is an example of good work of Peavey today - durability and tone and good price.
I know nobody who would play Behringers guitar amp ;-)
I know nobody who would play Behringers guitar amp ;-)
right...all the southern rock bands got peavey established, and that spread to country circles. but what most folks don't know is that they were all secretly rebuilt to marshall and fender specs.Jimmy, like you, I can relate to Peavey and how they were something of an "industry standard" back in the day. You could not go ANYWHERE in Nashville and NOT see Peavey (almost exclusively) being used. This lasted through the late 70s and through most of the 80s.
Of course that was then and this is now.....
(apologies for the thread derail)
It helps to separate the issue of sound quality from that of reliability. I think Peavey amps became pretty reliable in the mid 70s, after Jack Sondermeyer's arrival. I started to like their bass amps in the late 70s. Apparently, you didn't.
Since the 90s, I've liked their bass gear less, but that's a matter of personal tastes. I still admire Hartley.
It helps to separate the issue of sound quality from that of reliability. I think Peavey amps became pretty reliable in the mid 70s, after Jack Sondermeyer's arrival. I started to like their bass amps in the late 70s. Apparently, you didn't.
Since the 90s, I've liked their bass gear less, but that's a matter of personal tastes. I still admire Hartley.
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Peavey's had some great pieces for most of its history as well as a few turkeys. That includes bass and guitar (tube and solid state), and PA stuff, and even keys and drums. But they don't get respect in all quarters because they didn't often price their gear high enough or follow fashion on cosmetics which could have changed perceptions. And they apparently didn't always go after the right crowd for endorsements.
Nevertheless they have indeed done and underwritten a lot of significant or even groundbreaking R&D, and have done well in the marketplace in spite of the Principle of Price Snobbism, and the damning fact that a lot of people bought their first Peavey pieces way back when they were clueless newbies who couldn't EQ or attend to gain structure to save their lives.
Behringer has done a lot of intellectual property ripping and poor implementation, but one area they've advanced beyond that has been that they've actually done some pretty good work with DSP-based rackmount products.
Nevertheless they have indeed done and underwritten a lot of significant or even groundbreaking R&D, and have done well in the marketplace in spite of the Principle of Price Snobbism, and the damning fact that a lot of people bought their first Peavey pieces way back when they were clueless newbies who couldn't EQ or attend to gain structure to save their lives.
Behringer has done a lot of intellectual property ripping and poor implementation, but one area they've advanced beyond that has been that they've actually done some pretty good work with DSP-based rackmount products.
In terms of Peavey, I either cannot stand their product, or fall head over heels for it. Peavey speakers are almost always a hit for me. I own two PR15 PA speakers and they blow me away with the price, weight, and sound quality.
When it come to Peavey amps, I almost always cannot stand them.
That being said, if I had to go with Peavey or Behringer for bass gear, I'd choose Peavey 100% of the time. Because their bass gear isn't total rubbish.
When it come to Peavey amps, I almost always cannot stand them.
That being said, if I had to go with Peavey or Behringer for bass gear, I'd choose Peavey 100% of the time. Because their bass gear isn't total rubbish.
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+!...I know for a fact that a lot of the Peavey stuff you saw on Southern rock stages back in the day was empty cabs...most of those bands were using Marshall and Fender amps...hidden behind dummy Peavey cabs...but back to the "B" debate...
Peavey is always amazing, They were smart enough to license MaxxBass for their DSP in their amps. Revalver is one of the best all time modeling packages of tube amps. And their work with the Musebox platform is going to pay off well. (when they ship)
Behringer continues to have innovations and patents. They're the only company I know of with DAW support on Linux. As "The Music Group", they continue to grow and acquire big name players in the music industry. The Music Group has extremely high end expensive gear, down to affordable entry level gear.
Behringer continues to have innovations and patents. They're the only company I know of with DAW support on Linux. As "The Music Group", they continue to grow and acquire big name players in the music industry. The Music Group has extremely high end expensive gear, down to affordable entry level gear.
OOOkay, after reading this freaking thread in it's entirety and bassically laughing at some of the comparisons and comments made by some posters of each side of the coin, I have decided to retire to the amps forum here on TB and take an account of each and every thread complaining off gear that has failed. I will make a graph showing the results by brand and post my results in this thread when finished. 
OOOkay, after reading this freaking thread in it's entirety and bassically laughing at some of the comparisons and comments made by some posters of each side of the coin, I have decided to retire to the amps forum here on TB and take an account of each and every thread complaining off gear that has failed. I will make a graph showing the results by brand and post my results in this thread when finished.
Bitchen. I'll be waiting with baited breath.
