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Pro Behringer!
- Thread starter olds_cool63
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Caeman, I have to say with regret that you seem to be unaware of many facts related to the musical market, which was already pointed out by someone regarding Line 6 products.
The fact that so many guitar makers steal classic designs is shame for such manufacturers. The most painful lesson was learned by Hoshino Gakki corporation. You may google out the history of Gibson vs. Hoshino Gakki court case. The Japanese concern had been making copies of Gibson and Fender guitars, selling them at far lower price than U.S. originals. The quality of workmanship and materials used by the Asian concern were very high (there was quite different ethos of labour than we observe today...). All in all, Hoshino Gakki lost the case and were fined handsomely.
Hoshino Gakki gave up making the copies and started own development. Their primary target was the developing heavy-metal music market of the era.
Would you say anything against IBANEZ today?
Who said copying was good?
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Yeah..............
NO copying going on here, right
I only see random similarities. The Amp the OP mentioned - doesn't look like any other amp on the market.
For the PODs. The Behringer is much better from the picture. Notice the knobs and encoders, and the LEDs show the current setting for each knob. Every time you change a preset the leds will indicate the setting and you can reach out and tweak it. The Line 6 has regular pots. From preset to preset no instant verification of the settings.
We haven't got into sound - but I doubt anyone can hear a difference. They will claim to, but it's a safe bet a blind test reveals no actual difference.
For educational purposes only, have a listen for yourself @ http://www.zinfanus.com/svt
To me, the Line 6 is sonically superior, but the V-AMP is a better overall choice for various personal reasons.
Cheers!
My problem with online clips is sometimes it just takes a small tweak, EQ, or Level, or compression, and one will sound better over the other. In a blind test you take out these variables. Equal them out, just don't rely on the factory presets.
Agreed
All things subjective, of course, but let me just say then IMHO that the Line 6 models are simply more eager to please
I own and use the V-TONE BASS BDI21 Bass driver for every show. It is a great little pedal and does what the Sans Amp does for under 30 dollars! I had it as a back up to my Sans Amp and now the sans amp I keep in my studio as a back to the V-TONE BASS BDI21 instead of the other way around and the reason I bought it in the first place. I have been using it since Friday 8-14-2009 yeah I like it so much I remember the first time I used it!
Tell us! It will be healthier to all instead of listening how fantastic these cheap B-wines are because they miss all this mark-up
OK - OK...one quick memory...
Picture this: 1970- Venice Beach - Chevy Van - Beautiful Blonde Honey - Sunset - Several bottles of Boone's Farm - Great Tunes on the 8 track - some of Mother Nature's "medicinal" herbs.....
'Nuff said......
Now back to your arguing....
Maybe this Behringer love/hate fest is a good place to tell my Behringer service story...
My small town music shop had a Behringer bass combo - a BX1200, I think (120w, 1 12" aluminum cone speaker). Store had taken it in as a repair job. The owner (a school) elected not to repair, and gave it to the store. I bought it for $25, to use as an extension speaker.
Later, I opened it up to see what was wrong with it. Something had burned out on the power supply PCB. There was some weirdness on that board; made me suspect a manufacturing error.
I had heard Behringer doesn't give out schematics, but decided to call 'em anyway. Got a woman in service, told her my story, that I was not the original owner, and needed a schematic for the power supply board. We talked for a while, she being mildly annoyed and uncooperative, me being persistent. Then something changed. She asked me to email her a photo and some other information, which I did. Then she wrote back, asking me to mail the board to them; didn't say why. Reluctantly, I mailed it... guessed there was a small chance they'd send me another board. Then I forgot about it.
Weeks or months later, a box showed up on my door. It was a complete reconditioned BX1200 amp (looked like new). I was very surprised, and rather impressed.
Now I'm one of those guys who used to say "I can get a tone I like out of any amp". That was until I met the BX1200. After a couple days of fiddling, I gave up. I decided I'd quit while I was ahead. I took the new amp back to the music store where I bought the old one, and gave it to them to sell on consignment. That way, they got a piece of my windfall.
I still have the original cab; will probably give that to a local teenager who blew the speaker in her BX1800.
Like others here, I don't like the Behringer business model. Think this story illustrates that no company is all good or all bad.
My small town music shop had a Behringer bass combo - a BX1200, I think (120w, 1 12" aluminum cone speaker). Store had taken it in as a repair job. The owner (a school) elected not to repair, and gave it to the store. I bought it for $25, to use as an extension speaker.
Later, I opened it up to see what was wrong with it. Something had burned out on the power supply PCB. There was some weirdness on that board; made me suspect a manufacturing error.
I had heard Behringer doesn't give out schematics, but decided to call 'em anyway. Got a woman in service, told her my story, that I was not the original owner, and needed a schematic for the power supply board. We talked for a while, she being mildly annoyed and uncooperative, me being persistent. Then something changed. She asked me to email her a photo and some other information, which I did. Then she wrote back, asking me to mail the board to them; didn't say why. Reluctantly, I mailed it... guessed there was a small chance they'd send me another board. Then I forgot about it.
Weeks or months later, a box showed up on my door. It was a complete reconditioned BX1200 amp (looked like new). I was very surprised, and rather impressed.
Now I'm one of those guys who used to say "I can get a tone I like out of any amp". That was until I met the BX1200. After a couple days of fiddling, I gave up. I decided I'd quit while I was ahead. I took the new amp back to the music store where I bought the old one, and gave it to them to sell on consignment. That way, they got a piece of my windfall.
I still have the original cab; will probably give that to a local teenager who blew the speaker in her BX1800.
Like others here, I don't like the Behringer business model. Think this story illustrates that no company is all good or all bad.
okcrum
in your chest
The nightly business show on NPR last night had a CEO from a German company railing about how the Chinese were copying their designs and then selling the lower cost copies in the German market. He was explaining why they don't manufacture in China anymore because of tech theft.
No, it wasn't Uli Behringer.
They either buy the circuits (you know, pay money for them) or buy a license to use them. Unless they're Behringer.
I want to get the Bugera BVP 5500 but after reading reviews on TB i got nervous & backed out.I cant say i hate them but i do want to give them a go.
This amp has an all tube Preamp with a s.s poweramp.I think i read that its an SVT copy ?
This amp has an all tube Preamp with a s.s poweramp.I think i read that its an SVT copy ?
It's amazing the.
When I started this thread, I KNEW the haters would not disappoint me!
Sorry..I'd rather do something constructive with my time.
Nuff said.
olds_cool63
I BASS, therefore I am!
When I started this thread, I KNEW the haters would not disappoint me!
Sorry..I'd rather do something constructive with my time.
Nuff said.
olds_cool63
I BASS, therefore I am!
okcrum
in your chest
...and some companies who manufacture in China license their technology to the Chinese producers, with stipulations like no-use, no-compete for 10 years, and the like. That's on the up-and-up as long as all parties play by the agreement.
a fair point. but those are very good basses despite being cheap. can't say the same for the b word.I don't wanna be rude, but you have basses from SX and Jay Turser. I really can't see the difference between what Behringer does and what SX/Rondo and Jay Turser do.
I know someone who purchased a Bugera bass head. (can't remember the model. After about two weeks, it quite literally caught. on. fire. Lemme repeat that for emphasis. Didn't just stop working, didn't blow a tube or anything, it caught. on. fire.
I was not there, but I did see the mangled corpse of that amp afterwards. Despite the sheer flukiness of this incident, and the unlikelihood of it ever happening again, it has probably traumatized me for life. I will never ever consider buying Behringer ever again, especially after my BX180 combo quit working and they refused to replace it.
Why? Its easy. So the haters can hate then the non haters can call us haters.
Its still junk.
yes, you'd rather do something constructive with your time like start threads that are the equivalent of wearing a "kick me" sign, then acting like you reeled in the fish.
you da man.
