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Pro Behringer!

#121
Behringer: The "Night Train" or "Wild Irish Rose" or "MD 20/20" equivalent of drink.....

Although I'lll say this about them....... for 2 years i've been using an old beat up Behringer 410 combo, that's held up very well (not mine, so it resides in the trailer, makes it convenient).......I reserve my good gear for the good shows.......
 
#122
I only own one piece of Behringer kit, it's an old feedback destroyer that sits on a couple of auxes in the vocal monitor signal chain. It just sits in the rack doing it's thing and has been doing that without any fuss for the last ten years now.

In my last band there was also an Ultracurve on the FOH speakers that was used so that regular gig venues had a FOH EQ setting programmed in. That worked without fuss as well.

As to the reverse engineering argument, I was unaware of that until I started browsing TB and, since that was a good few years after buying the stuff, I'm not about to throw it out in a fit of moral outrage.
 
#126
my behringer mixer is really nice and their 450 watt 410combo i use at the studio i rent sounds great with my geiger counter pedal and my 62 jazz reissue(think nirvana), however it does concern me that these amps and not to mention the new kustom deep ends are so absurdly cheap, i mean am i supposed to buy 1 to play and 1 for parts
 
#128
CharlieC said:
That Goliath CZERWONE must be Poland's equivalent to USA's Boone's Farm circa 1974.

Either way, I say its time to put our Behringer differences aside and let's party!

We'll meet half-way in the U.K., Led Zeppelin will play a reunion show for us with Jason Bonham, and I'll bring the Boone's Farm :-)

Ramble On!
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dude......the stories I could tell you about Boone's Farm....:D :scowl: :D
 
#129
JimmyM said:
i dislike behringer's business model of finding products that sell, reverse engineering them using cheap parts they buy by the ton, making them look very much like the products they rip off but with just enough changes to be legal, then undercutting the originals while claiming their products are just as good when they're not.
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I don't wanna be rude, but you have basses from SX and Jay Turser. I really can't see the difference between what Behringer does and what SX/Rondo and Jay Turser do. :hiding:
 
#130
P-punk said:
I don't wanna be rude, but you have basses from SX and Jay Turser. I really can't see the difference between what Behringer does and what SX/Rondo and Jay Turser do. :hiding:
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You aren't allowed to point out this hypocritical behavior. It causes the victim to have to back-track, or worse, create a special reason why their non-Fender strat/tele/jazzmaster or non-Gibson LP looking instrument is okay to own. It isn't a pretty sight.
 
#132
I however, do treasure the hilarious irony of the bugera marshall clones. Even funnier yet is when Marshall owners get riled up about Behringer "stealing" circuit designs :p I guess many here would disagree, but I take no offense in their actions. They make no apologies for offering products at entry prices, and it seems that as of late, they've been stepping up the qc a bit. In fact, I see an era of unprecedented support them right now. Yes, they've made a business of taking popular designs and offering cheaper variants on the market. And yes, they've produced many a turd in their day. But, when I see their power amps, mixers, and other pa gear mentioned, 8/10 times, it's a positive review. And as long as they haven't been found guilty, liable, whatever in the court of law, there is hardly more than a suggestion of possible wrongdoing, IMO. If all the dudes out there hand-wiring "boutique" amps catch no heat for their actions, what's wrong with "reverse-boutique"? If anything, I think B gives the rest of market a good reason to step up. Because with them at your heals, your product absolutely MUST command the difference in price between the "real deal" and the inevitable B clone. And I must admit, the Bugera amps I have heard in person sound damn good.
 
#134
Behringer "stealing" circuit designs
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There's really nothing to steal. No major developments in tube amp circuits for the last 50 years or so. And innovation in high-tech digital stuff comes from chip manufacturers not from makers of end products. Nobody designs and manufactures their own AD/DA converters or DSP circuits for example. Are they all thieves?

"not having to spend any money on R&D."
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The same again.
 
#135
modulusman said:
IOt also equates to "not having to spend any money on R&D." Buy the way I find it funny that you use your Behringer gear in church.:D
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I have no moral issues with Behringer. I have moral issues with abusive mark-ups and product elitism, though.

From whom did Behringer steal the design for the Bass V-Amp Pro 10 years ago? Boss and Digitech do not have a similar product. Or Roland.

I also play a fernandes strat-copy looking bass fitted with a Precision and Jazz pups.
 
#136
dincz said:
There's really nothing to steal. No major developments in tube amp circuits for the last 50 years or so. And innovation in high-tech digital stuff comes from chip manufacturers not from makers of end products. Nobody designs and manufactures their own AD/DA converters or DSP circuits for example. Are they all thieves?.
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Good sir, I placed the term stealing in quotations to indicate that I did not share this sentiment. A quick-review of my post would show that on this subject, I share your view. I thought I would just clear that up. Good day to you!
 
#137
dincz said:
There's really nothing to steal. No major developments in tube amp circuits for the last 50 years or so. And innovation in high-tech digital stuff comes from chip manufacturers not from makers of end products. Nobody designs and manufactures their own AD/DA converters or DSP circuits for example. Are they all thieves?



The same again.
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Why don't you tell that to Agedhorse who posts on here and Harmony central. He is the designer for Genz Benz.
 
#139
majortoby said:
Good sir, I placed the term stealing in quotations to indicate that I did not share this sentiment. A quick-review of my post would show that on this subject, I share your view. I thought I would just clear that up. Good day to you!
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And possibly even better sir. I didn't intend to attribute that to you - that's why I removed your name from the quote. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
#140
caeman said:
I have no moral issues with Behringer. I have moral issues with abusive mark-ups and product elitism, though.

From whom did Behringer steal the design for the Bass V-Amp Pro 10 years ago? Boss and Digitech do not have a similar product. Or Roland.

I also play a fernandes strat-copy looking bass fitted with a Precision and Jazz pups.
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Who knows maybe they cleaned up their act. The fact is they got rich are still in existence because they had no qualms about stealing other companies designs. Because of Behringer most musical equipment is now made off shore. Is that a good thing? I would rather pay more money knowing that I was keeping Americans employed.
 

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