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#41
I still have one of the ORIGINAL 2642s from back in like '95 or so, the board Mackie sued them over. It was a pretty killer piece of kit, but it also cost like $700 new. It needs a good cleaning now, it's a bit scratchy in the pots (used it a long time, both live and studio). However, if you hold it next to the current models, you can tell the difference in quality.

I guess my question is - do they still make their speaker cabinets out of CARDBOARD? Because - having worked for a major MI retailer who shipped their stuff out - I saw several of the Behringer cabs that were damaged in shipping, and the broken cabinets exposed the fact that they were made of layered, glued, high-density cardboard. Not chipboard, not plywood - cardboard. That explains why they're so heavy, no? Makes you wonder, don't it?
 
#42
Calaverasgrande said:
My experience of Behringer is limited to the ADA8000 and a mixer. Both just sounded horrid. They woudl pass a signal of course, but they weren't even up to the signal quality of my Mackie 1604 which is pretty much the cut off point of audio engineering quality. I know guys that wont even use a Mackie!
One issue I have seen a lot with Behringer gear is that the power supplies are either underdesigned or over utilised. Either way they give up the ghost quite often.
I also kinda resent the Bugera line of amps with their grandiose claims of 3600 watt amplifiers. If you guys are happy with Behringer gear more power to you. Thats even more Mesa, Traynor, Sunn etc for me.

I know we arent supposed to diss on import brands as part of the use policy. So I will just say that for ME as an American living in California, I am quite happy playing a Sterling made in San Luis Obispo CA through a Mesa made in Petaluma CA.
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How is Behringer even comparable? It's a completely different price point.

Apples to oranges.
 
#43
olds_cool63 said:
Nope! I agree that's wrong. Everyone rips everyone off. That's the way of the world these days. Just ask any lawyer looking to make a buck.

I guess we should all hate Gibson/Epihone for making a Strat copy??? How about every other bass maker that makes a Jazz clone? Guess we should all dump on the Camaro since the Mustang was the first pony car while we're at it!

Sorry...I'm too intelligent for all that! :D

Anyway, I like Behringer and I'm sure there are a lot of people who do, too. Maybe not the BEST stuff around, but FAR from the worst.

Oh, yeah...saving money's a good thing!

Nuff said.

olds_cool63

I BASS, therefore I am.
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You brought up something that I think is a pretty valid point. I have used a Behringer 450 watt head and 4-10 cab many times at a drummer friend's practice room. I always thought it was a great sounding amp for the price but I had read the argument that they were a bad company-ripping off designs.(It is obvious by looking at their entire product line) While I became a behringer basher, I never really saw the double standard before when reading posts about people complaining that SX changed their headstock because everyone liked it better when it was a closer Fender clone. It seems that most of us are quite tolerant of Fender clones, but not to other design rip offs. And to those that complain of their quaility, it seems like the quality is quite decent for what you pay for.
 
#44
I've got a V-Amp, a couple of DIs and a couple of pedals and I've been impressed with a lot of it. The V-Amp is a fantastic bit of kit.

The only thing I've owned by Behringer and not enjoyed is a VT-911 tube overdrive pedal - one of the worst effects pedals I've ever used. If you want to suck all the tone out of any instrument run it through one of these and it'll do the job nicely. It's supposed to be able to get warm tubey overdrive but will only create nasty harsh distortion.

A friend of mine has a few Behringer mics and they're really good - especially when you consider how cheap they are. I've used a fair amount of Behringer PA gear and the stuff I've used has been solid and well featured.
 
#46
Burlington said:
How is Behringer even comparable? It's a completely different price point.

Apples to oranges.
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if you only criterion is price than you are correct.
I picked up most of my mesa gear on CL or pennysaver magazines. I paid $300 for my biggest Mesa cab. I paid $550 for my bass 400.

I find a lot of this Behringer boosterism reminds me of Amazon reviews. People review products right after they buy them when they are still in that rosy glow of freshly unboxed gear. Not an adequate assessment. I know when I first got my ADA8000 I was very stoked to have an additional 8 channels in-out for my DAW. After a few months it dawned on me that the tracks that always sounded off were coming through that box. I sold it and have been fine since.

If your first criteria for selecting gear is price point, than you will be disappointed more often than not. I live by the maxim cry once buy once. Hey this macbook pro cost me an awful lot. Do I regret buying this over an Acer? :rollno:
 
#47
I have been using Behringer gear for over 10 years. Currently I have an older Ultrabass 3000 kickback combo with the 15" aluminum cone in one practice space, fully functional for 5 years now and definitely pushed to the limit. That same band also practices through a Behringer powered PA using a Behringer 16 channel mixer. I have a Behringer Bass V-Amp pro that rarely gets used now, but was my main DI in a large church for years and recorded one album with. I found the sound produced to be really good. Finally I have their synth pedal which is pretty cool though it's one of the products where you can actually see and feel the difference in quality as the body is made of plastic. My buddy has Behringer Truth studio monitors that have hit the concrete floor and still function perfectly after 7 years.

So far the brand has served me pretty well. Obviously many people must get lemons, otherwise there would not be as much negativity towards the brand. I have been pretty lucky with my Behringer gear.
 
#50
olds_cool63 said:
I've been a musician for 39 years and I've seen problems with just about EVERY major brand name out there.


That pretty well sums it up for me also!


Been playin' 40+ years.
I've personally had problems with Sunn, Ampeg and Peavey amps. Problems with a Gibson bass, problems with a 64 Fender jazz, and problems with JBL's speakers.


Bought a GK 800 head in 1984.
It's never gave me any problems, I still use it!
Awhile back I decided to jump on the micro head bandwagon with a GK MB2-500 head.......
The first one I tried buzzed and popped and died.
The second was dead right out of the box.
The third one I bought, so far it's been bullet-proof.
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#51
modulusman said:
I hate Behringer because they have been sued multiple times for stealing from other companies but then again I actually have morals.:rolleyes: How many of you musicians on here would like it if someone stole a song you wrote maybe made a few minor changes and got rich off of it. My guess you would be screaming bloody murder. But it is OK if Behringer does it as long as you can save a few $ on your musical equipment purchases.
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Hmm...with all those Big Muff clones out there, I guess very few of us around here have morals.
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#52
olds_cool63 said:
I've been a musician for 39 years and I've seen problems with just about EVERY major brand name out there.
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+100

Case in point, a very high-profile new bass amp line was released by a very well respected (and rightly so) company in the United States. These amps are not cheap, but the company's products are considered top-notch and the people behind them are even better.

Despite just being released in the past few weeks, the threads + posts on TalkBass regarding this amp have been off-the-hook for months with people on their knees in line for one or in hopes to someday own one (myself included.)

Well, one of the lucky first receive one just reported that his stopped working and needs service, exact cause of this is still to be determined, but the company is going above and beyond to rectify the situation.

Now, granted, not every company will be so responsive and customer-centric, but the fact of the matter is that the product died on the customer within hours of receipt.

My point is simply, you take a chance with any product you buy, despite the manufacturer's name and reputation on it.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, only take chances that you can afford, play bass, have fun, repeat.

Cheers!
 
#54
CharlieC said:
+100

Case in point, a very high-profile new bass amp line was released by a very well respected (and rightly so) company in the United States. These amps are not cheap, but the company's products are considered top-notch and the people behind them are even better.

Despite just being released in the past few weeks, the threads + posts on TalkBass regarding this amp have been off-the-hook for months with people on their knees in line for one or in hopes to someday own one (myself included.)

Well, one of the lucky first receive one just reported that his stopped working and needs service, exact cause of this is still to be determined, but the company is going above and beyond to rectify the situation.

Now, granted, not every company will be so responsive and customer-centric, but the fact of the matter is that the product died on the customer within hours of receipt.

My point is simply, you take a chance with any product you buy, despite the manufacturer's name and reputation on it.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, only take chances that you can afford, play bass, have fun, repeat.

Cheers!
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Exactly this. It can happen to any brand at any price point and any time. To me, it's how the company stands behind its product and reputation. I have never had bad luck w/ "brand A" that others may have, but have had issues w/ "brand B" that has a great presence/reputation in there prospective markets. In all cases, thought, the companies were there for support IME. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones, dunno? :D
 
#55
Calaverasgrande said:
if you only criterion is price than you are correct.
I picked up most of my mesa gear on CL or pennysaver magazines. I paid $300 for my biggest Mesa cab. I paid $550 for my bass 400.

I find a lot of this Behringer boosterism reminds me of Amazon reviews. People review products right after they buy them when they are still in that rosy glow of freshly unboxed gear. Not an adequate assessment. I know when I first got my ADA8000 I was very stoked to have an additional 8 channels in-out for my DAW. After a few months it dawned on me that the tracks that always sounded off were coming through that box. I sold it and have been fine since.

If your first criteria for selecting gear is price point, than you will be disappointed more often than not. I live by the maxim cry once buy once. Hey this macbook pro cost me an awful lot. Do I regret buying this over an Acer? :rollno:
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Very good points. I owned a few cheap amps before getting my GB, and you really do get what you pay for.

But, owning an Acer laptop that has higher specs than most of my friends computers, they are still great for the price. And mine has an 18.5" screen ;)

/offtopic
 
#56
modulusman said:
I hate Behringer because they have been sued multiple times for stealing from other companies but then again I actually have morals.:rolleyes: How many of you musicians on here would like it if someone stole a song you wrote maybe made a few minor changes and got rich off of it. My guess you would be screaming bloody murder. But it is OK if Behringer does it as long as you can save a few $ on your musical equipment purchases.
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you must have never heard of "metalcore" bands lol
 
#60
As the original poster of this thread, I will say this: Last year I bought a Behringer 10 watt practice guitar amp and it was the worst piece of crap ever. I swapped for another one (exact same model) and it was the same. I've since used their 30 watt GTX30 and I have to say it's a great amp.

Just for the record, I bought a 2000 Fender Strat brand new which was by FAR the absolute worst guitar I've ever owned. Every kind of problem you could think of! I've owned much better Strats. Doesn't mean I won't buy another, tho.

ALL brands have issues...trust me. I don't knock 'em at all. That's just how it is.

Nuff said,

olds_cool63

I BASS, therefore I am.
 

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