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Professional Busybodies

Nowhere in the OP does he say that the company vehicle had a 'How's my driving?' sicker with a number. The caller may have just looked up the business number from the logo. I drive a 30' box daily, & i see some wierd things. Though i wouldn't do it myself (especially with other vehicles around), i certainly wouldn't call it in either.

Of course you wouldn't call it in. What the OP did was nothing compared to what you see around the Seattle area every day.
 
He's been naughty naughty.

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Oh yes, he was a naughty boy and needs to be punished!
 
Excuse me ... the OP stated that he was doing what the caller alleged. It's time to pay the piper. You're advocating that he take action against his employer for rewarding the stupid activity with a little time off. I think he got off easy.

No, I'm not advocating that at all -- my post clearly states I believe he got what he deserved. A key word in my post was "substantiated". And I was differentiating between what we know and what his boss knew.

We know the OP did it because he told us. And if he also copped to the truth with his boss, then from the boss' perspective, the claim was substantiated and the unpaid leave was fully warranted (legally).

But if all the boss had was the one call from unknown outsider, should he really initiate the unpaid leave? How would the boss know if the caller was telling the truth, grossly exaggerating the truth, or justing lying? Would you put an employee on unpaid leave if all you had was the one call? In California, you, as an employer, would be in a heap of trouble doing this without more than just the one (possible crank) call.

I notice the OP never clarified what he told his boss. If he told the boss the truth, he received his appropriate punishment. And I'll at least give him props for being an honest employee. If the OP argued that the caller was wrong or grossly exaggerating the situation, then I think LEGALLY the employer was out of line, even though the punishment was well deserved. Of course in this latter case I'd say the employee is certainly not one I'd want, and if the boss evers gets more substantiating info, the OP should be terminated immediately.

And to be clear, my explanations here based on California labor law and the "burden of proof" when doling out unpaid leave have nothing to do with my opinion on what the OP deserves.
 
No, I'm not advocating that at all -- my post clearly states I believe he got what he deserved. A key word in my post was "substantiated". And I was differentiating between what we know and what his boss knew.

We know the OP did it because he told us. And if he also copped to the truth with his boss, then from the boss' perspective, the claim was substantiated and the unpaid leave was fully warranted (legally).

But if all the boss had was the one call from unknown outsider, should he really initiate the unpaid leave? How would the boss know if the caller was telling the truth, grossly exaggerating the truth, or justing lying? Would you put an employee on unpaid leave if all you had was the one call? In California, you, as an employer, would be in a heap of trouble doing this without more than just the one (possible crank) call.

I notice the OP never clarified what he told his boss. If he told the boss the truth, he received his appropriate punishment. And I'll at least give him props for being an honest employee. If the OP argued that the caller was wrong or grossly exaggerating the situation, then I think LEGALLY the employer was out of line, even though the punishment was well deserved. Of course in this latter case I'd say the employee is certainly not one I'd want, and if the boss evers gets more substantiating info, the OP should be terminated immediately.

And to be clear, my explanations here based on California labor law and the "burden of proof" when doling out unpaid leave have nothing to do with my opinion on what the OP deserves.

That's an awful lot of conjecture. The OP said what he did. Whether the employer got the same story we did doesn't matter. In the end, when his employer shows the administrative law judge this thread, the case will be over.
 
My boss got the exact same story you all did. It was phrased differently. Much more apologetic and remorseful. Sincerely half the reason my OP wasn't that way was because I posted here to blow off some steam. I wasn't trying to troll, just to make the thread livelier. Clearly I succeeded at both.

@Those who say Seattle drivers are worse: That's where I learned to drive. Tell me about it.

@The rest of you malcontents: There are times to complain. I don't argue. I dumbly pushed that point. But are you really disputing that there are professional busybodies who live to give others grief? I've met plenty.
 
I wasn't trying to troll, just to make the thread livelier. Clearly I succeeded at both.

Yep.

@Those who say Seattle drivers are worse: That's where I learned to drive. Tell me about it.

Seattle was pleasant driving when I went last year, especially compared to the warzone that are the NY Metro roadways. I heard the same thing about Dallas when I went a few years back. "Dallas is awful compared to Green Bay, WI." Dallas is heaven compared to New York. Check out 3rd avenue during rush hour in Manhattan, the 40+-year construction that causes massive daily chaos on I-278/Gowanus Expressway by the Battery/Hugh Carey Tunnel in Brooklyn, or the incomplete mess of exits of five intersecting major roads that is the Kew Gardens interchange in Queens. That's not even counting the driver's reactions to the giant mess, and we haven't even begun to scrape the surface of the other roads in NYC, Northern and Central NJ, Westchester and southwest CT.

@The rest of you malcontents: There are times to complain. I don't argue. I dumbly pushed that point. But are you really disputing that there are professional busybodies who live to give others grief? I've met plenty.

Of course there are people who are only out to get others in trouble. I've known people like this, and they are MISERABLE. That is not why people are jumping on you, and it's obvious you aren't getting the pats on the back you thought you would by venting to TB. It's the attitude that "it's all the lady's fault for snitching" that got people pissed off, myself included.
 
Yep.
Seattle was pleasant driving when I went last year, especially compared to the warzone that are the NY Metro roadways. I heard the same thing about Dallas when I went a few years back. "Dallas is awful compared to Green Bay, WI." Dallas is heaven compared to New York. Check out 3rd avenue during rush hour in Manhattan, the 40+-year construction that causes massive daily chaos on I-278/Gowanus Expressway by the Battery/Hugh Carey Tunnel in Brooklyn, or the incomplete mess of exits of five intersecting major roads that is the Kew Gardens interchange in Queens. That's not even counting the driver's reactions to the giant mess, and we haven't even begun to scrape the surface of the other roads in NYC, Northern and Central NJ, Westchester and southwest CT.

I feel your pain, compadre. I grew up in the East a little ways between Philly & NYC. You have not felt fear until you've ridden in a NYC cab :eek:. I learned to parallel park an extended van mostly Manhattan & Queens. Learned to drive stick and a water tanker truck in Los Angeles. Seattle is generally not filled with as many aggressive drivers as those places, but I would say definitely more more passive aggressive, and 'unaware'. And I was surprised to find here that certain times of the day (on most days) the congestion rivals all of the above mentioned places .. the daily population increase here far exceeds road widening projects .. which the state IS actually pretty good with.
 

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