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PRS basses

+1 This has been nearly my exact experience with them. Out of tune moving it from the case to the stand. I didn't mind the neck though, but it had a really lame sound. Thin and lifeless describes it perfectly...

+1 I remember the first couple that had the newer bar pickups had me all exicted but no.....still very lifeless. They always struck me as having the tonal qualities of a Washburn (shudder) or a cheap Peavey. Although the peavey would of had better pickups IMO.

I never understood it cause everyone at the time was saying how PRS makes the world greatest guitars. It was put together well and looked nice if you like no-style style. I remember the playablity/neck feel being kind of average with a couple being real nice.

It seems to be a classic case of the whole company dropping the ball like Peavey always has with their instruments. Contruction=Great Overall Implementation=Terribad.
 
I've never had my hands on a PRS bass, but I do remember very clearly reading a review of a very early one in 'Guitarist' (UK) magazine. They were terribly polite about it all :p, but the bottom line was the bass was really a 'guitarist's bass' and not a 'bassist's bass' :hmm:.

They had trouble describing the tone too - possibly because it didn't have one :D!?

Never mind, we've got no shortage of specialist bass builders out there now, so it's no great loss to the world of bass if these PRSs are actually a bit 'mehhh' :smug:.
 
Naturally it's what "I" like Brad. I could give a rats behind what the opinions of those here think if I dig it. I think I've been doing this long enough to not get swayed by "OOOOHHH!!!! A NEW TOY THAT'S THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!".

Opinions are as wide as the Grand Canyon regarding my V-Bass system for example. I love it. Others think using it is akin to slapping the Pope in the face with a dead fish.
I have a Hartke Pro2200. I'll put that up against pretty much any other 212 cab out there- for what it does for me.

I seriously doubt that when this thing gets here it will completely suck. But at the same time, I wouldn't bet it's gonna come in and consume my world as bass nirvana.

If it does by some chance suck the big one, it's going back faster than a rented mule!

I'm gonna try and record some clips with it and post them up if I can.
 
Naturally it's what "I" like Brad. I could give a rats behind what the opinions of those here think if I dig it. I think I've been doing this long enough to not get swayed by "OOOOHHH!!!! A NEW TOY THAT'S THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!".

Opinions are as wide as the Grand Canyon regarding my V-Bass system for example. I love it. Others think using it is akin to slapping the Pope in the face with a dead fish.
I have a Hartke Pro2200. I'll put that up against pretty much any other 212 cab out there- for what it does for me.

I seriously doubt that when this thing gets here it will completely suck. But at the same time, I wouldn't bet it's gonna come in and consume my world as bass nirvana.

If it does by some chance suck the big one, it's going back faster than a rented mule!

I'm gonna try and record some clips with it and post them up if I can.

It should be fine. Except for the preamp, it isn't so much awful in an absolute sense, as it is disappointing based on the amazing guitars that company makes, and also completely overpriced new. In passive mode, it sounds like an OK if a bit thin Jazz bass... nothing particularly wrong with that if you are paying well below $1000.

Edit: If you end up kind of digging it, I always thought that given the control knob and switch configuration (if I'm remembering correctly), that removing that preamp and installing a Redeemer with bypass switch would be kind of cool.... so you have a passive mode, and then a nice, buffered, fattened active mode without having to drill holes, etc. That might be pretty cool, and pretty inexpensive and easy to do.
 
It should be fine. Except for the preamp, it isn't so much awful in an absolute sense, as it is disappointing based on the amazing guitars that company makes, and also completely overpriced new. In passive mode, it sounds like an OK if a bit thin Jazz bass... nothing particularly wrong with that if you are paying well below $1000.

Edit: If you end up kind of digging it, I always thought that given the control knob and switch configuration (if I'm remembering correctly), that removing that preamp and installing a Redeemer with bypass switch would be kind of cool.... so you have a passive mode, and then a nice, buffered, fattened active mode without having to drill holes, etc. That might be pretty cool, and pretty inexpensive and easy to do.

Actually Ken, I was kinda thinking Sadowsky pre-amp with the knob/switch layout.
Vol-pan-stacked bass/treb and the passive/active switch.

Don't know really anything about the Redeemer. Gotta check it out.
 
Actually Ken, I was kinda thinking Sadowsky pre-amp with the knob/switch layout.
Vol-pan-stacked bass/treb and the passive/active switch.

Don't know really anything about the Redeemer. Gotta check it out.

That would work also. The Redeemer is basically a preamp with no tone controls... so it would sound a bit like the Sadowsky 'flat'.... it will just slightly widen the low end, and crisp up the top end (due to the active buffering). Kind of cool if you don't want to do and drilling, etc.... should just be a straight, simple drop in and a few wires.

Just an idea for 'maximum tone with minimum dollars and effort':)

Hey, on a side note, I have a Bergantino AE212 (amazing cab) and a Bergantino HT112ER that I'd love to hear with that Shuttle 9. Come on over sometime... it's been too long!
 
That would work also. The Redeemer is basically a preamp with no tone controls... so it would sound a bit like the Sadowsky 'flat'.... it will just slightly widen the low end, and crisp up the top end (due to the active buffering). Kind of cool if you don't want to do and drilling, etc.... should just be a straight, simple drop in and a few wires.

Just an idea for 'maximum tone with minimum dollars and effort':)

Hey, on a side note, I have a Bergantino AE212 (amazing cab) and a Bergantino HT112ER that I'd love to hear with that Shuttle 9. Come on over sometime... it's been too long!

I may check the Redeemer out for my old Jazz actually.

Don't get me wrong about the PRS. I don't wanna come off as a "fan-boy".
Would I wet myself if it was killer and could replace my 237 pound Jazz as my main bass??? Hells yes. But my old Jazz IMO is the best sounding bass I ever played. (not because it's a 70's something Jazz, just because it sounds good).

If it shows up and plays like a greased pig on teflon coated glass in zero gravity, then I'll mod the hell out of it like I did my old Jazz to pull the tone I want from it.
My old Jazz has had 3 necks (two went bad), 2 pre-amps (it's passive now- and has been for 15+ years), replaced pick-ups a bunch of times (keep going back to those old Hi-A/Bart single coils) and a D-Tuner and BadAss bridge slapped on. So keeping the "stock" value isn't a concern for me.

Ken, I should have just kept that first Metro 4 string I got from LDS. That bass had some SERIOUS tone going on.

Yeah, we gotta hang sometime soon. It has been a while!
 
I may check the Redeemer out for my old Jazz actually.

Don't get me wrong about the PRS. I don't wanna come off as a "fan-boy".
Would I wet myself if it was killer and could replace my 237 pound Jazz as my main bass??? Hells yes. But my old Jazz IMO is the best sounding bass I ever played. (not because it's a 70's something Jazz, just because it sounds good).

If it shows up and plays like a greased pig on teflon coated glass in zero gravity, then I'll mod the hell out of it like I did my old Jazz to pull the tone I want from it.
My old Jazz has had 3 necks (two went bad), 2 pre-amps (it's passive now- and has been for 15+ years), replaced pick-ups a bunch of times (keep going back to those old Hi-A/Bart single coils) and a D-Tuner and BadAss bridge slapped on. So keeping the "stock" value isn't a concern for me.

Ken, I should have just kept that first Metro 4 string I got from LDS. That bass had some SERIOUS tone going on.

Yeah, we gotta hang sometime soon. It has been a while!

That’s one of the reasons I wanted to post. Because there’s a lot of bogus comments on these instruments. I’ve heard people say they’re uncomfortable to play, I’ve heard people complain about the neck shape, and every other bit. I don’t find it any more difficult to stand behind this bass on stage than I do a Jazz or a Precision. I often think about changing out the preamp, but since I’ve moved to 5’s it’s not really a priority.

As someone who has one, and doesn’t plan on selling it, I wanted to provide what I can see as the good and bad side of things. To be honest, I never found it to be ‘thin’ sounding in passive mode either, but that could just be my particular bass. There aren’t that many of these out there, so it’s hard to try before you buy. This was the first bass I owned that the action was so low and flawless that I could play with very little effort and with surprising quickness. I think there are a lot of guys who picked up one. Once. And have been slagging it ever since. This all said, it was a stage bass for me for no more than a year. I tend to stick with what works as long as possible rather than run through piles of instruments. So to me it was frustrating to have a bass that was so good in some ways and not in others.
 
That’s one of the reasons I wanted to post. Because there’s a lot of bogus comments on these instruments. I’ve heard people say they’re uncomfortable to play, I’ve heard people complain about the neck shape, and every other bit. I don’t find it any more difficult to stand behind this bass on stage than I do a Jazz or a Precision. I often think about changing out the preamp, but since I’ve moved to 5’s it’s not really a priority.

As someone who has one, and doesn’t plan on selling it, I wanted to provide what I can see as the good and bad side of things. To be honest, I never found it to be ‘thin’ sounding in passive mode either, but that could just be my particular bass. There aren’t that many of these out there, so it’s hard to try before you buy. This was the first bass I owned that the action was so low and flawless that I could play with very little effort and with surprising quickness. I think there are a lot of guys who picked up one. Once. And have been slagging it ever since. This all said, it was a stage bass for me for no more than a year. I tend to stick with what works as long as possible rather than run through piles of instruments. So to me it was frustrating to have a bass that was so good in some ways and not in others.

So you saw issues too?

No offense, but "bogus"? Which comments?
:D

They're opinions... just like yours:). I have no doubt that some may be based on playing one bass and being surprisingly underwhelmed by it. Others certainly could have more experience than that.

Mine is based on playing dozens over the years... I first met and dealt with Paul before he even made basses. Based on the success of his guitars, many of us thought a bass would be a slam dunk. Then it came out and...
:hmm:

That doesn't mean they were horrible... just a big letdown from what many of us hoped for. I've played a bunch of the first gen basses, heard the "great for reggae" thing starting way back then. Is that really a compliment?

The best I've heard was a old fretlees that had one position on the rotary control that sounded great and the rest were just bad. "Couldn't imagine what someone would use them for" kind of bad bad. Playability was okay but not on par with Koontz Thurston, another local builder who did build great guitars and basses. Much easier said than done. I think Paul started out as a bassist so I'm not sure where the disconnect was. I've heard local stories and I'll leave it at that.

The last gen basses didn't elicit as much anticipation but many here (locally) were looking forward to see if he got it right this time.. In that price range, particularly optioned out? Not even close to the established competition or even many new guys just popping up. Very surprising. I heard Gary's bass was in developement for several years. It's a very nice looking bass. that's only part of the battle.

There were expectations at that price range that clearly weren't met. Doesn't make it a bad instrument, just not a very good one. And when you figure at the time you were looking at US MTD price range or worse, used Fodera... that's a tough sale. Buying used removes alot of that sting I guess.

So if there's something we're missing, cool. I've played enough where the setup wasn't the issue, the amplification wasn't the issue, that leaves the bass and it's ability to impress me and it simply didn't. I've seen and played a bunch used and haven't come close to pulling the trigger... just way too many other options out there.
:cool:
 
Just stating the obvious, Mike.
:D

Naturally it's what "I" like Brad. I could give a rats behind what the opinions of those here think if I dig it. I think I've been doing this long enough to not get swayed by "OOOOHHH!!!! A NEW TOY THAT'S THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!".

Opinions are as wide as the Grand Canyon regarding my V-Bass system for example. I love it. Others think using it is akin to slapping the Pope in the face with a dead fish.
I have a Hartke Pro2200. I'll put that up against pretty much any other 212 cab out there- for what it does for me.

I seriously doubt that when this thing gets here it will completely suck. But at the same time, I wouldn't bet it's gonna come in and consume my world as bass nirvana.

If it does by some chance suck the big one, it's going back faster than a rented mule!

I'm gonna try and record some clips with it and post them up if I can.
 
Just adding my two cents...

I owned a very early one, #40 from 1986. I had played it in the store and thought it was far better than the previous one I had played, a 5-string some years before (so I don't remember the year other than it was also the 3 pickup +dummy version).

I thought the bass was comfortable and I didn't have any issues with it aside from that I just couldn't find "my" sound. It can do a great dub, it can sound kinda Jazz-ish, it can sound very bright. But overall it was just a little plain for me. I traded it (at a loss) towards a bass I would actually use.

Here's a pic... I'm not sure why I felt compelled to brush out my futon at the time! :hmm:

PRS-1.jpg
 
Well, as a guy who play a little guitar (and care a lot about guitar tone) I must confess that I feel the same way about PRS guitars as most of you have expressed about their basses.

Pretty to look at, but pretty bad sounding.:hiding:

"Sterile" and "characterless" is what comes mind when I think of PRS. Again :hiding:
 
OK...just arrived.....
If it sounds like it plays....this thing could be a winner.
At work so I won't be able to dig into it until later.

Needs a good set-up and some over-all TLC, but it plays very good.

It's a little "used". Meaning it's been played. And like I said above, I can see why!
So, can't comment on "finish" really. But it is very nicely done.

As for "fit". This thing is built VERY nice. As good as I would say any other bass in it's price rang when t was new.
Yes, it's built that good. Not any gaps in the neck joint at all. Nice and solid.
Everything is as it should be elseware as well.
And it's LIGHT.
VERY light. I'll try and grab a weight on it. But It's sub 9 easily.

Neck feels very Jazz like. A little wider maybe at the nut. But not much.
The bridge looks to be very nicely done. Nice and solid. Being a BadAss fan, I pretty much think every 4 string bass should have one, so I'm always looking for a reason to replace them on my 4 strings. But this looks pretty good. We'll see....
String thru body as well. I really don't care about that too much, but it's worth mention.

Again, it's a used bass, not new.

More to come later.
 
I tried one with dual pickups at Union Grove Music. It looked just like this one:
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Impressions:
Good, solid clear tone, but I was totally flummoxed by the control layout. They didn't operate in a way that made sense to me.
It felt well-made, balanced well, but didn't stand out as deserving of its excessive price tag.
I remember really wanting to love it, but eventually saying "meh".
 
I tried one with dual pickups at Union Grove Music. It looked just like this one:
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Impressions:
Good, solid clear tone, but I was totally flummoxed by the control layout. They didn't operate in a way that made sense to me.
It felt well-made, balanced well, but didn't stand out as deserving of its excessive price tag.
I remember really wanting to love it, but eventually saying "meh".

The one that I just got looks just like that except with a "yellow" as opposed to the "orange" in the burst.
And there is a nice bit of flame to the top.

I'll reserve total win/lose opinion until I give it a good set-up and poun d on it through my amp.

But at least I can say this for sure...it feels real nice.
Maybe they were plagued by the inconsistant bug like Fender was.
 
OOPS!!!
My bad.....the strings appear to go through the body, but in fact they are just secured into the base of the bridge.
Coming across the saddle as if they were coming thru the body.

Cool. Then we're talking the same machined aluminum bridge.

I can tell you that I emailed with PRS back when I bought mine and verified that the basses shipped with Rotosound steel strings. I always liked the way they sounded on the bass, and while I tried a few other usual suspects, mine still wears Rotos. The SN on mine is 244.
 
This one is 432.

Thanks for the string info.
I'm a nickle guy, so I'm gonna slap those on first and see where it gets me. This thing could completely suck when plugged in. Who knows. But I like the way it plays!

Just gonna need a D-Tuner if it stays!
Speaking of...this has HipShot Ultralite tuners.
Yours?
 
This one is 432.

Thanks for the string info.
I'm a nickle guy, so I'm gonna slap those on first and see where it gets me. This thing could completely suck when plugged in. Who knows. But I like the way it plays!

Just gonna need a D-Tuner if it stays!
Speaking of...this has HipShot Ultralite tuners.
Yours?

Same tuners. Wait until you give it whatever tweaks, truss rod adjustments it needs. Very comfortable neck with the ability to bring the action way down... :)

Also, the finish on the neck is nitro. be careful of whatever you use for a stand or to hang it. Mine has burn-through from being on a store wall for however many years it sat.