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Punk Bassists

Favorite Punk Bassist?

  • Glen Matlock/Sid Vicious (Sex Pistols)

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • Mike Dirnt (Green Day)

    Votes: 23 32.4%

  • Mark Hoppus (Blink 182)

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • DeeDee Ramone (Ramones)

    Votes: 5 7.0%

  • Paul Simonon (Clash)

    Votes: 8 11.3%

  • Isaiah (Value Pac)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Matt Freeman(Rancid)

    Votes: 18 25.4%

  • Karl Alvarez

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Mike Watt

    Votes: 5 7.0%

  • Jerry Only

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • Rob Wright

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tony Lombardo

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Total voters
    71
#41
Originally posted by Ad Nauseam


Greenday is just as MTV if not MORE than the other pop-punk candy coated bands that you listed. Greenday was on MTV long before they even existed, in fact paving the way for the POP-punk movement that is now taking place. Splinter's remark is just as blind, just opposite of yours. You back bands that are a MTV bred bastardization of Punk, while Splinter disregards newer Punk bands that deserve more credit. There are really great Punk bands out there, a lot of very original ones as well, you just never see them on MTV and it is hard to find them in chain record stores.

You want true "new school" punk?

I think you should listen to Fugazi, Dead&Gone, Murder City Devils, US Bombs, Anti-Flag, Agnostic front, Agent Orange, Crimpshrine, 15, Trail of Dead, GBH, the buisness, The Takers, Dead Low Tide, The Deadites, Propagandhi, Gallon Drunk, Unwound, The Dwarves, zeke, Gravity Index, Creeps On Candy, Sparkles and tons of other Punk bands that you probably have never heard of, or don't care to. :(

I like my Punk and my religious beliefs seperate, so I can't stand Value Pac, besides the fact that they are sugary skater pop-punk just like GD or Blink.

Here, check out some stuff that you might like that still holds true to Punk:
www.punkplanet.com
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www.alternativetentacles.com
;)

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I respectfully disagree. Green Day was not on MTV until Basketcase or Longview (which ever came first) off the of Dookie album. They had two whole albums on a smaller lable called Lookout Records. Also, I like punk-pop and what you refer to as true punk (I phrased it like that to be sure that there was no confusion), I just don't like most of the bands who play it.

Green Day I like because they've showed that they can expand beyond the initial limits of early punk. Sure they can scream over powerchords and the best of that was never on MTV (or even most college radio), but their greatest work was their really uncharactoristic stuff. IE Warning, was half accoustic, King For A Day was very polka-ish, and Last Ride In was a VERY laidback "un-punk" instrumental. They still have punk rock spirit and chops both of which you can see live. They just have the misfortuen of everyone confusing their musical development with selling out.
 
#42
Originally posted by SpunkMunkeeD


Green Day I like because they've showed that they can expand beyond the initial limits of early punk. Sure they can scream over powerchords and the best of that was never on MTV (or even most college radio), but their greatest work was their really uncharactoristic stuff. IE Warning, was half accoustic, King For A Day was very polka-ish, and Last Ride In was a VERY laidback "un-punk" instrumental. They still have punk rock spirit and chops both of which you can see live. They just have the misfortuen of everyone confusing their musical development with selling out.
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Where exactly does their "punk rock spirit" lie? Is it in their MTV friendly songs that are a radical departure from tunes that you would hear on Kerplunk!? Their sorrowful acoustic ballads about burned-out relationships? Their writing process that takes them a year to write something as simple and mundane as Longview? Their Fender endorsements that get them the cover of Guitar Center catalogues?
Is it in their sound? How they went from silly skate-punk to pop-punk to pop-alternative?
Is it how they dropped Lookout! records (a respectable punk lable) and ran off to join Reprise/Warner so that they could get MTV exposure for Dookie? Is it in their "greatest hits" infomercials on TV? Please tell me! I'm dying to clear up my confusion! :rolleyes:

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#43
QUOTE]Originally posted by Ad Nauseam


Where exactly does their "punk rock spirit" lie? Is it in their MTV friendly songs that are a radical departure from tunes that you would hear on Kerplunk!?
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It's just how they play live. Their tallents have expanded, but they still crank out some great old tunes. I saw them in Buffalo on June 1st and they rocked. They played Maria, Welcome to Paradise, Basketcase, When I come Around, Brain Stew/Jaded, Minority, Hitchin' A Ride, King for A Day, Going To Pasalaqua (my favorite), 16, Knowledge, and an awesome cover of Shout! among other things. So played were a pretty high tempo adrenaline rush type show. They ended with a smashed bass and flaming drums.

Really, I'm not trying to make you think that Green Day is punk. The definition of punk is so loose and interpreted so differently from person to person that it has lost all meaning. As I said before, I believe that they have evolved beyond the limits of basic punk rock and matured (musicly at least).

They left Lookout! records because they were getting too popular and Lookout! couldn't handle producing their albums anymore. They just didn't have the equipment to pump out that many cds in a short time period.

Have you checked out Pinhead Gunpowder? It's Billy Joe's band on the side.

PS Insomniac is probably the best skateboarding album out there (in my opinion).
 
#44
I do agree that there are some bands out today that play some great modern punk. The list posted by Ad Nauseam includes a lot of great bands like GBH.

Sorry my post sounded as if I was closed to the punk of today. It is hard to see the music the same way as when I was a teenager growing up in LA. The vibe was different then and the bands of today play from a different place. That is just my view but please do not think that I do not respect what they are doing. It just does not speak to me thats all.;)
 
#46
Originally posted by SpunkMunkeeD

It's just how they play live. Their tallents have expanded, but they still crank out some great old tunes. I saw them in Buffalo on June 1st and they rocked. They played Maria, Welcome to Paradise, Basketcase, When I come Around, Brain Stew/Jaded, Minority, Hitchin' A Ride, King for A Day, Going To Pasalaqua (my favorite), 16, Knowledge, and an awesome cover of Shout! among other things. So played were a pretty high tempo adrenaline rush type show. They ended with a smashed bass and flaming drums.
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Before I go into this I just want you to know that I have nothing against you at all. Don't take this personally. I just want to shed a little more light on why *I* dislike Greenday. A lot of people who listen to Greenday aren't informed about Punk bands who hold true to the ideologies of it. They can't see that the most popular Punk bands tend to be a antithesis of the whole movement. I'm not an Elitist, rather I would prefer that people liked or hated Punk for what it really is. More than just music, obviously.
In regard to your above comment:

A lot of shows have ended that way. Find some video footage of The Murder City Devils. It makes the show entertaining (at least when MCD did it) but not Punk. Antics like that are Rock and/or Roll. Some of them are a horrendusly forced routine.

Originally posted by SpunkMunkeeD

Really, I'm not trying to make you think that Green Day is punk. The definition of punk is so loose and interpreted so differently from person to person that it has lost all meaning. As I said before, I believe that they have evolved beyond the limits of basic punk rock and matured (musicly at least).
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But I thought you were saying that they have "Punk Rock Spirit"? Now you are saying that the word has no meaning? Mainstream media rapes the word of it's meaning, the way that they so callously toss the lable around with bands who could care less about world events or political and social agendas. I wish I had a fraction of the cash that Greenday uses to pour into MTV videos... I could bring a lot of minds to the attention of what is happening around them.
Sounds to me like they have DE-evolved. As the frat boys next to my father's house gather around the campfire-like light of their pooltable-sized television set, you'd sooner hear them clinging to every word from "good riddance" than playing a track from Kerplunk!.
Believe me, my ears have unfortunately been victimized on two occasions by the vocal bombardments of UNC's Greenday frat choir.
Making music that is more pleasant for the intent of capturing a larger audience is not my idea of musical evolution. I can't hear the difference between them and say, matchbox 20. It's an easy to digest alterna-pop sound that is the safe and sure bet for radio listeners at the moment.

Originally posted by SpunkMunkeeD

They left Lookout! records because they were getting too popular and Lookout! couldn't handle producing their albums anymore. They just didn't have the equipment to pump out that many cds in a short time period.
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***BUZZZZZ!*** Wrong. :D
They left Lookout! because Lookout! lacks the bottomless financial well that Reprise/Warner uses to persuade national radio staions and MTV to play "flavour of the month" bands. It would cost my band $500+ to sign up with a promoter in order to get collage radio stations to play our music. (and that would guarantee nothing)
How much do you think they would charge us to get popular national radio stations to play our CD? Lookout! is quite capable of producing albums for large bands, but they don't have the weight to throw around when it comes to huge promotion. Greenday left them because they wanted stars and lights. Greenday got that.

Originally posted by SpunkMunkeeD
Have you checked out Pinhead Gunpowder? It's Billy Joe's band on the side.

PS Insomniac is probably the best skateboarding album out there (in my opinion).
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Thanks for the warning. I'll go out of my way to avoid them like I do Leonardo De-crap-rio movies.;)


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#50
how about the bass player from Good Riddance? he rocks.. how about Jason Cruz? he rocked (my he rest in peace). i agree with Bad Brains bassist, tight and catchy.. Jamie Kenny of Beyond Possession ripped it up like nobody else.. fast as hell with his fingers, incredible. what about bassist for Fugazi? he's pretty good as well.. lots of good bass players, i guess it depends on what you consider punk... Agnostic Front? definately punk!.. or what you consider good... Sid Vicious? definately not good!!
 
#51
Ad,
It's been great discussing punk rock, but this has gotten of the topic of this thread. I'm not going to convince you to agree with me and you're not going to persuade me to your side.

I just listen to Green Day because I like their sound. That's it. I know that if I want the political side of punk rock I'll listen to other bands. GD is just a good time.

I think you make some valid points, but for both of us to fully say our piece it would take too long and get too complicated. Plus, as i said earlier, we're fairly off topic so lets just put this one down.

SpunkMunkeeD
 
#54
Originally posted by SpunkMunkeeD
Ad,
It's been great discussing punk rock, but this has gotten of the topic of this thread. I'm not going to convince you to agree with me and you're not going to persuade me to your side.

I just listen to Green Day because I like their sound. That's it. I know that if I want the political side of punk rock I'll listen to other bands. GD is just a good time.

I think you make some valid points, but for both of us to fully say our piece it would take too long and get too complicated. Plus, as i said earlier, we're fairly off topic so lets just put this one down.

SpunkMunkeeD
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Agreed;)
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