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Pussy Riot

#61
jmac said:
I didn't miss the point at all. Complaining about the charge versus the sentence is splitting hairs to me as the charge determines the sentence.

The girls knew that what they were planing to do was against the law. They went ahead with their actions; thereby, knowingly breaking the law. Now they're whining about the outcome.

I don't have have sympathy for people who knowingly break the law and then complain about the punishment or charges.
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Some laws need to be broken!
 
#63
Jazz Ad said:
You are missing the point by about a mile.
They didn't complain about the sentence but about the charge itself. They also are protesting for human rights in their country.
They didn't whine but rather stand for their opinion in a most straight way. They perfectly express themselves in writing, too.
You'd think any citizen from a western country would applause and support this kind of behavior.
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+1
 
#68
BullHorn said:
It saddens me how deep in *&%# this country is. Also makes me glad I moved out of there back in 1992. :)
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Dude... I think you need a new avatar:

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#69
cnltb said:
It's not that the US are any better.

But to be fair, Russia and the US are not the only countries where things aren't quite right either I'd say.
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Exactly. We do have designated "Free Speech Zones," which is actually censorship at it's worst. If you protest something, there's a very good chance that you're not in one of the few designated "Free Speech Zones," or one of several other names that they go under. Usually, they're far away from high traffic areas or near political centers, etc.

Wikipedia Free Speech Zones

They've technically been around since the 1930s, but weren't enacted until the 1960s. An increase on free speech areas around politicians increased exponentially during George W's reign, and more protesters were arrested then in past decades. Obama hasn't rescinded any of them, and they've increased in restrictiveness during his term. Whoopie. It's not nearly as bad here as it is in many, many, many other countries, but we're certainly moving away from having free speech rights every year.
 
#71
UncleFluffy said:
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Smart, well thought out explanation of why they did what they did. Worth 10 minutes of your day.
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I agree. Very inspiring, these are smart young people. I like this quote in particular (emphasis added):

"Listen to us and not to what Arkady Mamontov says about us. Do not twist our words, or quote us selectively, allow us to meet in dialogue, to be in contact with the country, it is our country, it belongs to us too, not just to Putin and those around him. I, like Solzhenitsyn, believe that the word, in the end, will prove stronger than concrete."
 
#73
jmac said:
I didn't miss the point at all. Complaining about the charge versus the sentence is splitting hairs to me as the charge determines the sentence.

The girls knew that what they were planing to do was against the law. They went ahead with their actions; thereby, knowingly breaking the law. Now they're whining about the outcome.

I don't have have sympathy for people who knowingly break the law and then complain about the punishment or charges.
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LOL you have got to be kidding!! No matter how unjust the law may be? Do you think MLK was "whining" about getting arrested when participating in civil disobedience in defiance of Jim Crow laws in the 60's? You have no sympathy for those who were jailed and worse in the civil rights movement? You need to get real.
 
#75
Jazz Ad said:
With all the young punk rebels we have on this board, there isn't anyone to say a word about Pussy Riot?

Russian punk band, emprisoned for months, because they sang a punk prayer against Putin in an Orthodow Church.
Next time you guys protest because the cafeteria is out of soda, think about them.

This trio deserves all kinds of support. They are a proof that rock as a mean of protestation isn't dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCasuaAczKY

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I've never heard a punk song about a lack of carbonated beverages :smug: but still this is horrible. The world should adopt more American policies. I feel the world should be past oppression and things of this nature
 
#76
Bisounourse said:
Only thing is, Solzhenitsyn had high praise for Putin...
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*Had* - and that support was based on his desire to revive a strong sense of Russian nationalism during and after the collapse of the Yeltsin regime. Face it, at that time he was old and had become more conservative, and I think his life in the US had disillusioned him. To a certain extent I think he was deep in despair.

If he were alive today and saw what Putin has become I am sure he no longer would support him so glowingly. Furthermore, that political support at one point in time doesn't diminish the power and insight of his words. I think she chose the Solzhenitsyn quotation very carefully, knowing how he and Putin had somewhat of a special relationship.
 
#78
HolmeBass said:
LOL you have got to be kidding!! No matter how unjust the law may be? Do you think MLK was "whining" about getting arrested when participating in civil disobedience in defiance of Jim Crow laws in the 60's? You have no sympathy for those who were jailed and worse in the civil rights movement? You need to get real.
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That's just my point. MLK never complained. He knew the repercussions of his actions; yet, he did it anyway because he believed in the cause. The same with Rosa Parks. She was arrested, as she knew she would be, and then fought the charges.

Now I wasn't around for these great moments in my Country's history, but I read quite a bit I don't recall ever thinking that MLK jr or Rosa Parks were whining.
 

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