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Putting a Head with a Cab

#41
I didnt hear back from the guy about the peavey stack, doesn't matter. I think I am going to hold
out for one of those sub $500 ampeg 810s that everyone keeps talking about, but something is going to have to hold me over til then. why is the Behringer a bad choice again? wattage and ohms seem to match up. thanks for all of your input! I had no idea about any of this stuff and now I actually have some sort of direction.

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#42
free_Bassd said:
I didnt hear back from the guy about the peavey stack, doesn't matter. I think I am going to hold
out for one of those sub $500 ampeg 810s that everyone keeps talking about, but something is going to have to hold me over til then. why is the Behringer a bad choice again? wattage and ohms seem to match up. thanks for all of your input! I had no idea about any of this stuff and now I actually have some sort of direction.

link for the Behringer cab
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The peavey was my recommendation for make do louder rig, til an 810 came along. You can unload it pretty easily with no financial hit - unless you destroy it.

The behringer is fine for what it is, but it isn't in the same class as the good stuff - or even the cheaper good stuff. I'd just pass on it unless you got a screaming good deal on it - with full warranty. It will be harder to unload and you will take a loss on it.
 
#46
Don't be in such a hurry. Pass on the Behringer crap. If you find a good deal (say $200) for one of those Peaveys, grab it, you'll get your money back. Other than that, wait until a used 8x10 pops up locally. That's my advice anyway.
 
#47
If you play in a blues band, you don't need a 1000w amp unless the other guys happen to be Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker.

Get a nice used 300-500w head and a 1x15, 2x15, or 4x10.

Don't buy berhinger. ESPECIALLY not new. Their stuff is garbage and has no resale value because everyone knows it's garbage (and because anybody who gets their stuff wants to sell it soon after).

Mixing is ok, but some combinations work better than others. You should only be mixing cabs with somewhat similar power handling and the same impedence (there are exceptions to this, but probably too complicated for your situation). Generally if you get 2 cabs that meet those criteria from the same manufacturer (same series helps too) you should be ok. It's really just a matter of trying out different things.

Also, you don't need an 8x10. I know they're supposed to be "cool" but it's really just a boat anchor that you will have to cart around everywhere you go. A solid 4x10 is more than loud enough for 90% of playing situations, and most of the times when it's not, you'll have PA support anyway. The rest of the times, well, what is the rest of the band using? A 300w bass amp with a 4x10 can roughly keep up with a 50-100w guitar half stack (4x12) in most normal situations where the guitarist has some sense.
 
#48
1000w is four times as many as I've ever needed. Volume is way overrated and usually takes away from sound quality when you're talking of keeping up with a guitarist with an awesome tube amp. I did a blues rock show for 75 in a room that could do 200 the other day. 2x10 and 250w just getting going, 15w tube amp 4x10, drums, vocal pa, loud enough to push all but the dancers to the back of the room.

Now, who is this benevolent guitar player? I think you're asking for a world of trouble having a bandmate putting money into your rig. Bands come and go for a great many reasons, not just personalities falling out.

$500 can put together a respectable rig.
 
#49
the stats on him amp (guitarist)
1993 Fender super pro- tube series
180w tube
8 ohm. 4x10

so that's what I'm playing against. i have a 500w combo amp right now and Its pretty hard to keep up. are Watts directly linked to loudness? I've been leaning in the direction of a 410 and if need be I could maybe add another... I was wanting a good bottom end to go with my 1/2step down 5-string. any suggestion on cabs with a good low end?
 
#50
free_Bassd said:
I was wanting a good bottom end to go with my 1/2step down 5-string. any suggestion on cabs with a good low end?
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the 2 15 Peavey above, or wait for an SVT 410 HLF.

The HLF sounds like what you are looking for. If you want to double it to 2 hlf cabs, get a 2 ohm stable head. Be warned, this rig WILL kill small children and cause permanent hearing damage. (Serious about the hearing damage!!)
 
#51
carl h. said:
The HLF sounds like what you are looking for. If you want to double it to 2 hlf cabs, get a 2 ohm stable head. Be warned, this rig WILL kill small children and cause permanent hearing damage. (Serious about the hearing damage!!)
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Ive read that some people think that HLF has a better low end than a 15, that's pretty sick. about the 2 ohm stable head thing, I think that the LH1000 can run at 2 ohms if it's parallel through two cabs. would 1100w from the LH1000 be too much for just one HLF?
 
#52
free_Bassd said:
Ive read that some people think that HLF has a better low end than a 15, that's pretty sick. about the 2 ohm stable head thing, I think that the LH1000 can run at 2 ohms if it's parallel through two cabs. would 1100w from the LH1000 be too much for just one HLF?
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It could blow it, but if you have functioning ears and a brain, it won't come to that. It is a beast of a cab. Different class from what you were looking at online earlier.

http://www.ampeg.com/products/classic/svt410hlf/index.html
 
#54
free_Bassd said:
I figured that was the case. I saw on one of the specs sheets that it could take peak power of 1000w, but then I saw the RMS was 500w so I was skeptical. just don't turn the LH1000 up to ten or anything
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Use your ears at all times.

I think your current amp is doing you a disservice. You have no idea how loud 1000W is through a decent cab. Get out and play some rigs, see some rigs in action. You need real world information to get a true picture of what you are looking at.
 
#58
8 10 inch speakers sound different than 4 10 inch speakers at the same volume levels. It comes down to preference. I like the sound of 2x410 at lower levels better than the sound of a single 410 at those same levels. What I don't care for about that setup is moving it.

It's a preference. 200w through a single 15 can get the job done - volume wise if you have the right rig. Ask Jimmy M what he uses!
 
#59
hibachiduck said:
I'm well aware of that. I also don't see what good an 8x10 is going to do in a blues band that isn't playing at something like the Crossroads festival.
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I was addressing the OP, but that's OK.

Blues band or not there is no point in having 1000 watts running through one 15" speaker. Your Avatar would be great, but somehow I think it exceeds his budget range. An Ampeg 4x10HLF might be a great fit, although if I were him, I would get an 8 ohm 4x10 so I could add another one later if I wanted to.
 
#60
carl h. said:
8 10 inch speakers sound different than 4 10 inch speakers at the same volume levels. It comes down to preference. I like the sound of 2x410 at lower levels better than the sound of a single 410 at those same levels. What I don't care for about that setup is moving it.

It's a preference. 200w through a single 15 can get the job done - volume wise if you have the right rig. Ask Jimmy M what he uses!
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Great points. I also much prefer two 4x10s over one 4x10 at ANY volume level.

I think Jimmy uses an SVT and an 8x10.
 

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