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PYPB XXXIII - Effects are STOOPID

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All this animosity for and against effects makes me wonder how mature bass players are.

I tried most all the effects and they all sound great. But at rehearsal the mid range insturments (sax, guitars, keys) drown out the cool effects. The best way for me to find a good mix is plug straight in (and mess a little with EQ).

As an electronic engineer having all those connectors in the signal chain is asking for noise.

Plenty of ways to mitigate that with signal routing, if it's really an issue for you. Use good cables with good connectors and it's not going to be too much of a problem. I also have an effect loop pedal that keeps all the effects out of the chain of my clean signal.

Fitting effects into the mix of a band is a different challenge. Personally I've found some bands are easy to use effects in, some are not so easy but it's still worth it here and there, and for some bands they just are not called for.
 
As an admitted non effects user, I have a couple of questions. Why do I see so many pedal boards with multiple 'Fuzz', 'Distortion', and 'Overdrive' pedals? What is the difference between the three?

If one of those little short connector cables or a jack in one of the pedals goes bad on stage, how long does it take to find it and get your signal back?
 
As an admitted non effects user, I have a couple of questions. Why do I see so many pedal boards with multiple 'Fuzz', 'Distortion', and 'Overdrive' pedals? What is the difference between the three?

If one of those little short connector cables or a jack in one of the pedals goes bad on stage, how long does it take to find it and get your signal back?

Every fuzz has a different sound and character and sometimes they can also be combined for even other colors and textures.

One of the main reasons to use a pedal board is to save on the wear and tear on jacks and cables but a big chain can be intimidating when there are problems.
 
I was thinking the other day that strings might actually be a very bad idea.
This is because, you know, it's possible that one might break in the middle of a gig or something.
In fact I'm off to the strings section to remind people of the error of their ways.
 
Holy Balls.... I would chop up an ARMY of kittens for a day alone with your pedz behnderossa.

I just wanna roll around in that box naked.

watch out for the swollen pickle! :p

You're pretty sick, Chubbs.

lulz. yah. i have WAY too much crap just laying around. gonna list a buncha them soons. i think for sure the........

SubDecay NoiseBox
SubDecay Proteus
Catalinbread Heliotrope
Malekko Ekko 616
MXR BOD
Swollen Pickle
SansAmp BDDI
Aguilar Octamizer

Behnd, where did your custom Xero and your Oxide go?

NEVER NEVER NEVER would i list thems. love them bishes WAY too much. i'm a bit of an early-adopter sometimes, so Taylor offered to mod up my Xero to the better down sweep and the extra stuffs he tweaked in the newer Oxides. so they're over in his loving, super gentle hands. hai.
 
As an admitted non effects user, I have a couple of questions. Why do I see so many pedal boards with multiple 'Fuzz', 'Distortion', and 'Overdrive' pedals? What is the difference between the three?

If one of those little short connector cables or a jack in one of the pedals goes bad on stage, how long does it take to find it and get your signal back?

There are a LOT of different descriptives people use for the differences between the three, and some of them can overlap into the others. It can be a fine/confusing line between the three. On a very basic general level (and this is just my understanding/experience... yours may vary):

Overdrive can be used to put just a little "grit" or "dirt" or "hair" on your tone. I believe overdrive pedals were originally designed to emulate the sound of a tube amp when it breaks up, so you can get that sound at low volumes. Some overdrives are low- to medium-gain, others are medium- to high- gain (which is where it may overlap into one of the other categories and cause confusion).

Distortion is more aggressive, getting "crunchier" than overdrive.

Fuzz is generally the most aggressive of the three effects. Fuzz can still be used in a “barely there” manner, but I'd describe the effect more as "loud, mean and angry." lol Lots of people around TB love their fuzz, but I’m personally not a fuzz guy myself.

As far as having multiple "dirt" pedals on a board, it's because they can all have distinctly different flavors, even from overdrive to overdrive. My current secondary board is below and somehow ended up all overdrive and envelope (with a token octaver lol)... The Darkglass B3k is more transparent, the BlueTube has an actual tube in it and a 3-band EQ (“warmest” sounding overdrive I’ve ever played!), the Flipster is a copy of the preamp circuit from an Ampeg SB-12 (so it sounds like an Ampeg SB-12 lol) and all the Sansamps have their own thing going on, like a combination of tube/cabinet emulation... tough to describe exactly.

Probably the best advice if you’re interested is to start with a multi-effect pedal. That way you can experiment with different effects and see what you like. Also, listen to as many clips of pedals as you can find or recordings by your favorite artists and then try and track down what gear they use.

As for hunting down pedalboard problems... Yeah it can be a pain in the a$$, but generally, cables and such don’t move much once you get your board put together, so you’re more likely to have & find a problem right away, rather than down the line. I'm constantly messing with my board and I haven't had a cable go bad yet. *knock on wood* Anytime I have a problem, it's usually user error. A pedal I forgot to hook power to, or didn't get a jack pushed in all the way... :rollno: lol

Hope that helps!

5sg.

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As an admitted non effects user, I have a couple of questions. Why do I see so many pedal boards with multiple 'Fuzz', 'Distortion', and 'Overdrive' pedals? What is the difference between the three?

If one of those little short connector cables or a jack in one of the pedals goes bad on stage, how long does it take to find it and get your signal back?

like Braddie said, it's for different tones from those pedz. it's sort of a progression of distorted signal, Overdrive = light grittiness, Distortion is thicker and Fuzz is the most Blow Your Tone Into Baby-Face-Melting Range. OD and Distortion usually have more room for the clarity of notes to come through, Fuzz is pure, lovely anger.

i have usually 3-5 different fuzzes onboard, but they can be as different as two that are somewhat similar just one is gated while the other has the blend cranked up to allow more definition, one will be a self oscillating MACHINE (loooooooooove you Gray Booooooooxxxxx), one will have a filter section, and another will have some type of octave weirdness going on.

re cables going bad on stage - for sure, that's intimidating. i check at home at least every couple weeks, go through with a cable tester. and i've had a mystery weirdness happen live, i can route it so it's just my favorite OD, a filter, my mainstay Fuzz and my preamp in less than a minute. then i'm able to do enough to muddle through a night. i miss that other stuff, but you just play through and make it work.
 
I'm not a moderator, but do allow me to extend a gentle reminder to all 'non effects users' here that this is a 'Post your own pedal board' thread'. That is, for posting pics of your pedal board and comments regarding those of others.

If you have any questions about effects use, please, use the Search function first. Failing that, please, post your questions in the Effects Forum as a new thread. We (speaking out of turn for all effects users on TB) are happy to discuss effects use there.

Also, check here for some very useful info regarding effects use on bass, and discussing such use here on TB.

Ummm... sorry for the derail folks. I'm in between head-reffing roller derby bouts, last weekend and this coming one (and the next), so am still in 'rules and regulations' mode. :hiding:

I mean no harm, really... Just trying to forestal any less than sympathetic derailments of this thread.

On topic:
For me, I'm awaiting the return of my upgraded TAFM from SS/BS, then I will post a pic of my new and improved electric bass noise enhancer foot rest.

re: behndy; you are an inspiration; a true sonic mad scientist, and I (again) doff my hat to your ridiculous (and enviable) effects pedal collection! wow, and Wow! :eek:
 
WUD makes me giggle. like a happy, high-socks wearing schooooooool grrrrrrrrrrrrL. WEEABOO 4 LIFE.

On topic:
For me, I'm awaiting the return of my upgraded TAFM from SS/BS, then I will post a pic of my new and improved electric bass noise enhancer foot rest.

re: behndy; you are an inspiration; a true sonic mad scientist, and I (again) doff my hat to your ridiculous (and enviable) effects pedal collection! wow, and Wow! :eek:

lol. just listed a bunnnnnnnnnnnncha 'dems (blatant plug! lookit me sig!) that are here just for posterity. which is...... stoopid. i want them to be used by people. like they're MEANT to be.

you got a gate on a separate footswitch from BriggedyBriBri ne? or did you go with a toggle switch.

i'm CRAZY escited to meet him when they hit SF on their tour. WOOT.
 
you got a gate on a separate footswitch from BriggedyBriBri ne? or did you go with a toggle switch.

i'm CRAZY escited to meet him when they hit SF on their tour. WOOT.

Footswitch... the thought of stepping on the pedal to put it into fuzzy overdrive ridiculousness just tickles my noise bone... B has had it like a month, so I'm starting to get antsy. But I know he's sorting out some things, and doing a bit of catch up, so I don't want to pester him. Can....not...wait to try it out though. Especially with my new Bottom Feeder. That little guy is super fun with fuzz! (Tall Font Russian played all nice, nice with it today).

Oh, and thanks for selling like 3 pedals I'm gassing for at a time I MUST spend all extra cash on car repairs... Just... thanks.... :rollno:
 
As an admitted non effects user, I have a couple of questions. Why do I see so many pedal boards with multiple 'Fuzz', 'Distortion', and 'Overdrive' pedals? What is the difference between the three?

If one of those little short connector cables or a jack in one of the pedals goes bad on stage, how long does it take to find it and get your signal back?

Another reason I use a pedal to put all effects into a switchable loop - BUT the only failure I've had there is in the cable I plug into the loop- the one that get plugged and unplugged all the time!

You get the feeling that some of the folks here aren't too keen on nay-saying effects?? It's true, we love them and wouldn't think of doing without them. Fear of a technical challenge will not dissuade us from using pedals, YMMV.

Addition: Besides, it's my *amps* that are all dying right now, not the pedals. The pedals sounded great Saturday night, as did my little WTX-260 backup amp. The little guy did alright!
 
Oh, and thanks for selling like 3 pedals I'm gassing for at a time I MUST spend all extra cash on car repairs... Just... thanks.... :rollno:

what i'm here for homie. Anger Instillation is my THING.

yeah. that's why the TAFM will always stay onboard for me i think. it IS like having two pedz in one. or one awesome (enough to make the Team even) toanz that goes into overdrive. LOVE it.

i played with a Korg Monotron today. BLEGH. nice idea if you never want to gig out, have no analog synths around, are the softest, tiniest grrL hands evah. but for live use..... murp. no THANK you.
 
Posting my board again because I haven't in a while. Nothing has really changed except the MWBDP being gone. I hate that there's so much space on my board but I'm waiting on Source Audio to release their EQ, Reverb and Delay and I don't want to buy any of the other pedals I want till I gots me a Pedal Power 2+.

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Korg DT10
Tym Guitars Big Bottom Splitter
Tym Guitars Fuzz Munchkin
Boss DD7
Boss ODB3
Line6 M9

I need a bigger board. I was thinking of getting a Road Ready 24" Case. Any other suggestions? My Carl Martin Octaswitch is due any day.

ps. I hate velcro. Zip ties for life.
 
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