Do the K12s have a polarity switch? I don't remember seeing that. I see a polarity switch on our KW181s
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Bob Lee (QSC)
In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio!
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Checking back in.....don't know why but I haven't been getting any alerts on this thread. So the dual K12/one KW181 sub has been working fine for us. We have been renting this combination and have used it on 5 gigs now. Our guitar player will be buying this system this coming week and that's what we'll be going with. I've got a few different guys who are skilled sound engineers so after we buy it and can actually set up outside of a gig with it we'll try and tweak it as best as we can. We've been able to cover everything we've done so far without any issues. Our Touchmix has been holding up great as well and has all the function we'll ever need. Thanks for all the responses and I'll try and keep everyone posted after we start dialing things in.
Those speaks sound nice right out of the box. Not a lot of tweaking necessary. In my rig. I begin rolling off the low end about 50 maybe3 db down at40, steeper below that. I create a small notch from 200 to 300. I dip at 2k and 4k.i also start eolong off at 10k and am pretty far down, 6 to 8 by 16.
It's a nice fat but tight and mellow on top kind of sound. I'll do different stuff for some acts but theres my basic house curve...
It's a nice fat but tight and mellow on top kind of sound. I'll do different stuff for some acts but theres my basic house curve...
Checking back in one more time. We did a larger outdoor event this weekend with the new system where we really got to crank it up. Did it deliver!! Due to rain we had to set everything up on the stage so the PA positioning wasn't the best. We had a fair share of musicians in the crowd who said it sounded amazing. Then there were just 1 or 2 who were really paying attention and were very impressed with the volume/quality of sound coming out of a single sub and 2 K12's. As a band we were very pleased with the results!
We've had 4 more gigs with the new PA since my last post. We've had a couple of band 'fans' who haven't seen us in a few months come to some of these recent gigs and have commented on how good we sound. I'd say our little QSC system is getting the job done! We also had a guy at one of our last shows who is a soundman at a church (for what that's worth) have positive comments with what he was hearing. I think we may have a keeper!
Our monitor system consists of 3 K10's and the drummer uses IEM's just for the record.
Our monitor system consists of 3 K10's and the drummer uses IEM's just for the record.
Yep. The K series stuff is esy to deploy and it needs very little eq to sound great.
Carry a pallet for the sub... Subs on stage can be extremely problematic... Would have helped out in the rainy tent. I tend to use them outside, all the time...
Of you aren't ferociously loud, try putting 1 K10 on a stand at each front corner mor or less behind the k12. Woofer should be about face high so the horn is elevated a bit. We do that whenever possible. I love it. It's like having half a headphone... It sounds a ton better than the floor position and as the monitor is up close and in your face, it doesn't have to be as loud. You can see that in my pic earlier in this thread.
Carry a pallet for the sub... Subs on stage can be extremely problematic... Would have helped out in the rainy tent. I tend to use them outside, all the time...
Of you aren't ferociously loud, try putting 1 K10 on a stand at each front corner mor or less behind the k12. Woofer should be about face high so the horn is elevated a bit. We do that whenever possible. I love it. It's like having half a headphone... It sounds a ton better than the floor position and as the monitor is up close and in your face, it doesn't have to be as loud. You can see that in my pic earlier in this thread.
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Yeah, we weren't sure what to expect from the tent/rain situation so we just did what we could. It actually worked out fine and sounded great. We know how to control our volume and everybody is good about EQing for the mix so the monitor situation has been good so far. Much thanks for all the tips though. We may have to try the monitor suggestion one of these times.
It has been my experience, when I had to mix QSC and JBL powered products in a pinch, that I needed to reverse the polarity on one of them. Other than that they played nicely together but I would still suggest sticking with all one brand.
Thanks.
I actually have a bigger problem. The guy mixing the sound doesn't have a lot of experience. He has been a bit paranoid about pushing the bass in the mains, because they are actually owned by another player in the band, and he doesn't want to damage them. This was a bigger problem with the K12's than the 153's, but still an issue. I did not have previous experience with the K12's; so, didn't know how far they could be pushed with the bass. I do have previous experience with the 153's; so, I know what those can comfortably do, and we are not close.
Anyhow, I am dealing with both paranoia and a lack of experience/understanding how to EQ the bass. Somehow, these guys think the bass should mostly be pushed into the bass bins; which, of course, sounds like mud. It's a new system, and I have been content to let this slide while they sort out how to run it. I have more than adequate rig capability to carry the house from the back line; so, not so urgent. But, we are getting close to where I can review without rocking the boat.
They are good folks. Patience and persistence.
In larger systems I often end up with the hi pass rolled up pretty high on the bass. Sometimes almost to 80 to 100hz, which is often where the crossover frequency is. Of course there is still plenty of low end but it helps me leave room for the kick and to also make it so that the bass stays clear and musical.
Yes, I do the same.
BTW, I have a particularly strong lack of interest in the kick drum, in terms of it being WAY over used and abused by many inexperienced sound people. But, that's just my pet peeve.
Yes, I do the same.
BTW, I have a particularly strong lack of interest in the kick drum, in terms of it being WAY over used and abused by many inexperienced sound people. But, that's just my pet peeve.
Of course. Which is part of what makes rolling up the hi pass on the bass so useful. If the drummer and bassist are locked the two can become more like one instrument. I also like to put a compressor on the bass that is controlled by the kick but I guess thats quickly getting off of the thread topic.
