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Ramping Up With Your New (working) Band

Muttleybass said:
Actually I see very little skin peeling. Just because we disagree does not mean we're plowing or bullying. We're just trying to give him some advice. If mentioning that he should be practicing instead of wasting his time on the forum, it may come across as harsh, but there's some truth to it (no offence, Blue).

The thing is, memorizing and learning songs is all about experience. Once someone has played for a number years (in my case 35), the memory has developed so that songs are remembered quicker. They say that New York waitresses have the best memories in the world. That's because it's developed over time.

Plus, patterns are learned. After learning (and forgetting) literally thousands of songs, it would seem that there's not really all that much new in rock & roll. Most stuff is still 3 or 4 chords. A lot of bass lines these days aren't all that complicated.

Most cover band set lists only have 3 or 4 complicated songs that someone who's been playing for a while might not know. Their set lists usually don't vary much. In my experience, even the most unique bands aren't all that unique. Very rarely have I been handed a set list where I haven't played most of the material at one time or another. That pretty much includes most genres. (Okay, Jazz might be a little elusive to me.)

Original bands you can put your own spin on, so you can either play or not. A recording, a chord chart and a week should be enough to get down a 40 minute set. If you've been a player for a while, and the BL doesn't mind a music stand on stage, eventually you'll have developed enough skill to get through a chart without mistakes right from the start with no practice or rehearsals.

In general (don't pounce on me if you're the exception) if someone has only been playing for 2 or 3 years, they are not going to know as many songs and have a lot less experience in different genres. It will be a lot harder. After 5 or so years, playing in 5 or so different bands, learning and remembering songs becomes second nature.

Another thing is you get out of it what you put into it. If I had a gig with an 'A' list band, I would be cramming 6 hours a day everyday until the show.

I have been at this a little longer than you, so I agree with what experience has brought.

In rock, pop, blues, you get to the point where you just know where a song is going.

While I've studied theory and I still take lessons weekly after all these years it's still the playing experience that makes it easier.

As far as your comment on advice,

"I'll ask for when I feel I need it."

Blue
 
The idea that someone has been playing for over 35 years and doesn't know how to learn songs on their own is unbelievable.

And when you post a thread asking for advice, you can't come back after the fact and tell the people who are nice enough to respond that you only want their advice when you ask for it. You already asked for it.
 
Naw, close it. Either Blue gets beat up, thinks he's getting beat up or just generally whines. What's the point? This is his forum for visibility and it's fun for him to just see people rant with this sort of stuff for innumerable pages.

You get an opportunity to do a project, you either accept it or reject it depending if you can and want to fulfil the commitment you must make to get it done. Then you go to work and get it done, not whine for days to the virtual world.

Grow up!

Koog
 
The idea that someone has been playing for over 35 years and doesn't know how to learn songs on their own is unbelievable.

And when you post a thread asking for advice, you can't come back after the fact and tell the people who are nice enough to respond that you only want their advice when you ask for it. You already asked for it.

Who said he didn't know how to learn songs?

And he never asked for your advice.

He posted some thoughts and invited others to share theirs. Very innocent and certainly not deserving of yet another "pile on Blue" episode.

Go back and read post #1, try and see if you can grasp it.

This is what I meant when I said some people don't care to understand Blue's threads, they just want to post responses that make them feel good.

Oh, and (since you claim above to be nice), um, posting graphics that depict telling a grown man "you're my boy"... not nice.

Whatever.

:scowl:
 
Naw, close it. Either Blue gets beat up, thinks he's getting beat up or just generally whines. What's the point? This is his forum for visibility and it's fun for him to just see people rant with this sort of stuff for innumerable pages.

You get an opportunity to do a project, you either accept it or reject it depending if you can and want to fulfil the commitment you must make to get it done. Then you go to work and get it done, not whine for days to the virtual world.

Grow up!

Koog

I just don't get it.

Why, when every other thread is treated with an almost sickening sweetness, and everyone is falling all over themselves to kiss up to whatever someone posts, is it that this one guy can't post a thread without the obligatory "jump on Blue" episode?

Please go back and read Post #1 and enlighten us as to how Blue was deserving of being beat up, as you say?

:confused:
 
Koog said:
Naw, close it. Either Blue gets beat up, thinks he's getting beat up or just generally whines. What's the point? This is his forum for visibility and it's fun for him to just see people rant with this sort of stuff for innumerable pages.

You get an opportunity to do a project, you either accept it or reject it depending if you can and want to fulfil the commitment you must make to get it done. Then you go to work and get it done, not whine for days to the virtual world.

Grow up!

Koog

The topic may have ran it's course, however it is quite different than jive's thread.

What I was getting at was:

"There is more than 1 way to skin a cat "

This is about the Guy that's ramping up with a new band. It might be a veteran playing a genre that's foreign to him,might be a guys first opportunity playing in a working band with 2 years experience.

Methods to get up and running will vary depending on experience and skill level


For example, I am finding it a lot easier getting up to speed with the new blues band than with my last originals Pop Rock band.
 
I just don't get it.

Why, when every other thread is treated with an almost sickening sweetness, and everyone is falling all over themselves to kiss up to whatever someone posts, is it that this one guy can't post a thread without the obligatory "jump on Blue" episode?

Please go back and read Post #1 and enlighten us as to how Blue was deserving of being beat up, as you say?

:confused:

Hey Chris,

Never said Blue was deserving of gettting beat up. Simply said this is one of the things that happens to him in these threads, because of the way they progress.

Interesting how easy it is to misread, isn't it?

Might just be easier if no one responded.

Koog
 
Methods to get up and running will vary depending on experience and skill level


For example, I am finding it a lot easier getting up to speed with the new blues band than with my last originals Pop Rock band.

To help get this back on topic, can you tell us why you think it's been easier to get up to speed with the new blues band, as compared to with your previous band?

- are you using a different technique or approach to learn the material?

- is the new material simpler or less complex than the originals band?

- do you have more time to spend learning the material than you did for the last band?

- is there less material to learn?

I think it'd be useful to explore the reasons that it's easier for you this go-round. Have you thought about why it's easier? Those kinds of insights will help others on the thread, rather than just saying that it's easier in general
 
For example, I am finding it a lot easier getting up to speed with the new blues band than with my last originals Pop Rock band.[/QUOTE]

I agree here. With covers I might of already knew the song or knew of the band. Getting recorded material or printed is easy also..not so with originals. Most folks I have done originals are are very picky about their music and want it their way. Originals are another story and have a larger learning curve IMO.
 
For example, I am finding it a lot easier getting up to speed with the new blues band than with my last originals Pop Rock band.

I agree here. With covers I might of already knew the song or knew of the band. Getting recorded material or printed is easy also..not so with originals. Most folks I have done originals are are very picky about their music and want it their way. Originals are another story and have a larger learning curve IMO.[/QUOTE]

my experience with originals has been the opposite. the people i've played with have always looked to me to come up w/something and only supplied general direction if i asked. maybe i've been lucky? i do agree it's more difficult with originals though.
 
sb69coupe said:
To help get this back on topic, can you tell us why you think it's been easier to get up to speed with the new blues band, as compared to with your previous band?

- are you using a different technique or approach to learn the material?

- is the new material simpler or less complex than the originals band?

- do you have more time to spend learning the material than you did for the last band?

- is there less material to learn?

I think it'd be useful to explore the reasons that it's easier for you this go-round. Have you thought about why it's easier? Those kinds of insights will help others on the thread, rather than just saying that it's easier in general

Well, keep in mind how popular the blues genre was back in the early 70s. I was in many blues bands back then.

I probably have thousands of hours logged in playing every variation of the 12 bar progression you can imagine.

I think the stuff just came to me naturally. That's why ramping up with these guys has been easier for me.
 
the yeti said:
I agree here. With covers I might of already knew the song or knew of the band. Getting recorded material or printed is easy also..not so with originals. Most folks I have done originals are are very picky about their music and want it their way. Originals are another story and have a larger learning curve IMO.

my experience with originals has been the opposite. the people i've played with have always looked to me to come up w/something and only supplied general direction if i asked. maybe i've been lucky? i do agree it's more difficult with originals though.[/QUOTE]

+1
 

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