Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by iiipopes, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. iiipopes

    iiipopes Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    I just recently watched a demo video for new La Bella Gold Tapewounds. Good strings.

    Now, why, WHY, do demo videos for strings have to be so [email protected]*-*@##^* slap-heavy!!!???

    Most bass players still play mostly fingerstyle on the first five frets. Amateur and professional alike. We call it the "cash register" as opposed to the low register of dropped tuning or high register of flailing up the fretboard. Yes, I can do all that too. I refrain from doing it where it is not appropriate, which it is not appropriate more than it is.

    I WANT TO HEAR FINGERSTYLES. Yes, that is plural: fingerstyles. Neck or mid pickup alone, bridge pickup alone, blend: Macca, Jamerson, Dunn, C. Kaye, Squire, Entwistle, Jaco, and the rest of the classic rockers and fusion of all decades, fingers and picks. And then there are all the jazz and country bass royalty that are on every album, modestly laying down all the famous lines in those genres, and which I should be able to list their names, but they aren't coming to me right now.

    Make no mistake: Larry Graham is a monster of bass playing. Bass playing in general took a quantum leap and a paradigm shift with his playing. But he's not the only one. Bootsy, S. Clarke, etc., all relied on fingers as much as slap.


    PLEASE -- everyone going forward, professionals, string reps, demo auditions, basement tapes, youtube excursions, PLEASE -- balance out the percussion with the styles that define the rest of proper bass playing and lay down the proper foundation and groove for the rest of the styles of music so we really know what those strings sound like.

    Thank you.
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  2. Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. ;)
  3. Tanner5382

    Tanner5382 Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2010
    Georgia, USA
    The majority of demos of all musical products seem to be more about showing off than actually showcasing the product.
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  4. FirewalZ


    Aug 14, 2014
    S.E. Michigan
  5. JustForSport


    Nov 17, 2011
    Or make just slap video/demos for those that care and then I can pass those by for something more useful. Even some pick style or tapping mixed in to demo versatility, but slap demos for slappers...

    But I guess they need to have the 'views' counted, whether they are liked or watched thru or not. 'View' tallies must be another factor of the 'showoff' syndrome.
  6. pacojas

    pacojas "FYYA BUN"

    Oct 11, 2009
    didn't you get the notice? if you slap well enough, non-bass players will worship you. ....it's how bass players get girls.
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2015
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  7. iiipopes

    iiipopes Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    I've never needed slap to get girls. ;)
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  8. Bent77


    Mar 6, 2013
    Desert, Colorado
    I was going to say Amen, I think I found my crowd
  9. iiipopes

    iiipopes Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    Thanks. I appreciate all the replies and support so far.

    The only reason I can think of that somebody has not posted sooner from our silent majority is the parable of the Emperor's New Clothes.
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  10. Jon Moody

    Jon Moody Commercial User

    Sep 9, 2007
    Kalamazoo, MI
    Manager of Brand Identity & Development, GHS Strings, Innovation Double Bass Strings, Rocktron
    This is exactly why all of our soundclips (that I've made myself) have a RANGE of styles, as we have a range of players.

    And RE: demos more about showing off the player over the product, that is a huge thing. I've gotten a lot of great gear from manufacturers mainly by making some demos that don't do anything more than showcase the pedal for what it can - and can't - do. It's definitely a fine line, because you obviously don't want a demo (of anything!) with a poor quality audio or player on it, but at the same time, you need to have it showcased as a "this is what the _________ can do in these situations."
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  11. Bent77


    Mar 6, 2013
    Desert, Colorado
    Does that mean if they don't use finger style, that particular product isn't good for that :)
  12. Jon Moody

    Jon Moody Commercial User

    Sep 9, 2007
    Kalamazoo, MI
    Manager of Brand Identity & Development, GHS Strings, Innovation Double Bass Strings, Rocktron
    You can take whatever you want from an omission. Personally, I try to cover as many styles as possible to give the viewer/listener the most information. I've slapped on flats, just so the listener - who may be new to flatwounds - can say "Oh, they doesn't sound as great for that. I may try something else that fits my needs better" over "Wow! Listen to that guy play!"
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  13. SteveCS


    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    The slap might get them but its the tickle that keeps them!!
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  14. Not just string demos. Bass demos, amp demos, pedal demos, pickup demos. Slapping the night away and losing my interest.
  15. MrBKerth

    MrBKerth The Gypsy Bravado

    Apr 20, 2013
    I was desperate for an amp demo before trading a bass quite a drive from my house for said amp. There was only one, and the only fingerplaying to be found on it was brief 2 second scales before the next slap-a-thon
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  16. Gorn

    Gorn Supporting Member

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    Ya know what would also be nice? I'd like to take it a step even more simple than finger style. How about single whole note out of each string? I don't know about anyone else, but when I change strings to something I've never tried before, I pluck and open E, A, D and G. It's the most straight forward tone example you can get out of a bass string.
  17. devinp17


    Jun 26, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
  18. GBassNorth

    GBassNorth Supporting Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Agreed two fold! And I'll add, I don't like it when the string demo is part of a mix. I don't care how it sounds in a mix someone else made. I can compensate for a lot of things with my hand location, pickup blend, on board tone controls, foot pedals, preamp and cab selection. I don't need to hear it in a mix! Just give me a few open strings, a walking bass line and maybe some harmonics. Save the slapping for a 2 year old brat at Walmart.
  19. Maybe we need an international minimum standard for bass string testing? It would be nice to be able to truly compare the tones of strings made by different manufacturers. There would need to be a standard test rig (e.g. bass, amp, DI, recording device, settings, etc. etc.) and the primary tests might include open E-A-D-G and scales from x to x. Once minimum standards are covered, feel free to slap yourself silly. I mean, they use international standards to independently verify almost all consumer goods, so why not bass strings as well?

    Just an idea.
  20. GBassNorth

    GBassNorth Supporting Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Yeah! Where's Consumer Reports for bass gear. Heck I can read their mag or website and find the best toaster for $20. Why not strings, amps, cabs...