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Rant, Vent or Stress Release!

OK, here's the deal. I am bassist in a classic, old school blues band, and as I'm sure many of you who are in bands have experienced, there is a tendency for personnel change. I think that is normal. For the last year and a half, we've had this guitarist who is a superb player (no negatives other than the usual 'too loud') in all respects. OK, so, occasionally he would step on the vocalist and the harp player's solos, and yes he took his solo's a bit too long sometimes, but being a blues band, we just rolled with that, after all it is the blues, and flexibility is a natural part of that music form. We dealt with that because he is just that good, not to mention the only guitar in the band.

That being said, he has had his 'hissy fit' moments; walking out of a rehearsal and an open mike for no apparent reason, being the two most egregious episodes, but again, he is just that good, we dealt with his adolescent outbursts. Until two weeks ago. In the weeks leading up to that weeks rehearsal, he was acting like he had to advise the singer on how he wanted the sound, her 'emotional output', and such like. Did I mention that he seriously lacks any interpersonal skills? It came to a head when during the initial run through of a new song we wanted to include in the set, he just stepped all over her singing - just started sing, then stopped the song and started to rant about 'it is HIS song, and she should just listen to how he sings it and do it that way', etc., it was getting ugly. The singer, to her credit, says 'I'm leaving before I say something I don't want to say', and left. The guitar player then proceeds to rant on and walks out himself.

The following days were filled with IM's flying back and forth, most of which from the guitarist were incoherent rants, and finally we (the rest of the band) had to cut him loose. We had to. Out lead singer is that good, too, and we didn't want to loose her! Now, we were faced with two gig's booked less than 10 days away, and no guitar!

A friend of mine, that I've jammed with a few times, I recruited, we rehearsed twice and played the gigs (this past Friday and Saturday nights), and as might be expected, we have sounded better. Now, we are faced with the decision of keeping him and helping him 'grow' into the role, and get up to speed with the music, or finding someone else. So far the consensus is to keep him and give him the time to grow into the role.

There, I feel better, I hope I haven't bored you, but it has been an emotional rollercoaster for us in The Blues Drivers!

Please feel free to voice your opinions, stories and advice!
 
If I were working on a professional level, I'm sure I would have a different opinion - but for me (at my lowly level) I'd rather have bandmates I can stand to be around.

Good luck!

That is precisely what the situation is with the band right now. Do we sacrifice the talent for someone who we can get along with! How does one decide that? We are certainly not a professional working band, and have no illusions of becoming so. The same principal applies, probably moreso when you're not earning thousands at each gig! We palyed at a bar last night for about $15 each, and had to pay for our own drinks!
 
That is precisely what the situation is with the band right now. Do we sacrifice the talent for someone who we can get along with! How does one decide that? We are certainly not a professional working band, and have no illusions of becoming so. The same principal applies, probably moreso when you're not earning thousands at each gig! We palyed at a bar last night for about $15 each, and had to pay for our own drinks!

Was this gig the one you had scheduled before the "talented" guitarist hissy-fitted out? If that's the case - and I mean this in the nicest, most polite way possible - it doesn't sound like the "talent" was worth very much.

If the new guitarist has an acceptable level of talent and is easy to get along with...
 
You got the gigs covered, now find a guitarist who has a personality, and has chops. You are under no obligation to wait for your buddy to "grow into the role". Well, I wouldn't, anyway. I gather from a later post that it probably doesn't matter much to you ... $15 guitarists lurk around every corner. ;)
 
That is precisely what the situation is with the band right now. Do we sacrifice the talent for someone who we can get along with! How does one decide that? We are certainly not a professional working band, and have no illusions of becoming so. The same principal applies, probably moreso when you're not earning thousands at each gig! We palyed at a bar last night for about $15 each, and had to pay for our own drinks!

I think you answered your own question. You are not a pro band and play for love and fun.
Stick with people you like as people. Life is too short.
 
If I were working on a professional level, I'm sure I would have a different opinion - but for me (at my lowly level) I'd rather have bandmates I can stand to be around.
That's my first inclination too, assuming the rest of the band likes him too. But then, I suppose it would also have to depend on whether you think the guy has both the ability and the motivation to get up to speed in a reasonable amount of time. If he's psyched to do it, and you're convinced that he probably can, I'd give him a chance. If you don't think he's capable, though, you should probably find someone else -- better to nip it in the bud now than string him along for weeks or months and then have to let him go.
 
According to your post, the two gigs have been played already, correct? Okay, so you're now beyond them and moving forward. Unless you're booked to headline at a stadium, time is on your side. Evaluate the new guitarist on all levels (musicianship, dependability, potential, etc.) to see if he's in your future plans. Be up front with him if he's not. Sometimes a person with a willingness to work towards a goal is better than a super-talented underachiever with an attitude. It also depends on your material. If you do play basic twelve bar, I-IV-V's all night and he can't get the hang of it, well... On the other hand, if he's steadily improving and working the kinks out of his style (like we all do), give him a few weeks at least.
 
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. . . this guitarist who is a superb player . . .'too loud' . . .he would step on the vocalist and the harp player's solos . . he took his solo's a bit too long sometimes . . . he has had his 'hissy fit' moments; walking out of a rehearsal and an open mike for no apparent reason . . . adolescent outbursts . . .

If all of the above is true, he is NOT a "superb player," he is a jerk. I will always pick a player with a good attitude and good cooperative work habits over a jerk with some flashy chops.
 
According to your post, the two gigs have been played already, correct? Okay, so you're now beyond them and moving forward. Unless you're booked to headline at a stadium, time is on your side. Evaluate the new guitarist on all levels (musicianship, dependability, potential, etc.) to see if he's in your future plans. Be up front with him if he's not. Sometimes a person with a willingness to work towards a goal is better than a super-talented underachiever with an attitude. It also depends on your material. If you do play basic twelve bar, I-IV-V's all night and he can't get the hang of it, well... On the other hand, if he's steadily improving and working the kinks out of his style (like we all do), give him a few weeks at least.

This is pretty much the approach we are adopting, at this point. After more discussion with my band mates, we feel that our new lead prospect has the ability, and can grow into the role. We don't have another gig scheduled for about 3 weeks, and can get rehearsals in towards that goal.
 
This is pretty much the approach we are adopting, at this point. After more discussion with my band mates, we feel that our new lead prospect has the ability, and can grow into the role. We don't have another gig scheduled for about 3 weeks, and can get rehearsals in towards that goal.
Good deal. All musicians have a breaking in period with new bands, even with different roles within the same band. If he is working on removing the clunkers from his solos, that's great. If the tempos, key changes, or other crucial musical points are a problem, that may be dangerous because of the potential for throwing the rest of the band off. At any rate, that's what practices are for. Hope it works out for you.
 
  • the usual 'too loud'
  • occasionally he would step on the vocalist and the harp player's solos
  • he has had his 'hissy fit' moments; walking out of a rehearsal and an open mike for no apparent reason, being the two most egregious episodes,
  • he seriously lacks any interpersonal skills
  • he just stepped all over her singing
This is not a superb guitarist and no one is so 'that good' that you should put up with this. This is an immature child.
 
This is not a superb guitarist and no one is so 'that good' that you should put up with this. This is an immature child.

You nailed it! 'Immature Child' pretty much sums up what we experienced with this guy. I guess we were just taken in with his chops and agressive style that felt good playing, but all the other nonsense just got to be too much. The last 'hissy-fit' was the last straw! I think we're headed in a better direction now.
 
I will fill in with anyone once. I don't join or participate in band's with jerks. Just not worth it. I would go so far as to say I would rather not play at all in any band if it meant I had to spend time with an evomaniac.

Best of luck with your new guitar player.... whether it's the guy from this weekend or not.
 
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You seem to be confused about what happens in 'pro' bands.

Unless it's their name on the marquee, no one puts up with that kind of nonsense on a professional touring gig. You've got to be able to hang. You can't throw a rock in most cities without hitting a blues guitar player so there's no need to put up with with a diva for two seconds.

Your ex-guitar players behavior is the definition of 'amateurish'.
 
Im afraid id go all passive aggressive on him. Id start up conversations with the drummer in your guitarists presence...

"Hey you remember Bud? I really enjoyed playing with him. Whatever happened to him? That guy was one cool dude. Played the solos in November Rain like nobody's business. You remember that night at the club when the singer had a meltdown and got in his face? Not a word. He just kept smilin and wailin on that guitar. Hah the crowd thought it was part of the act. Nothin could phase ol Bud. Like water off a ducks back. He was one cool dude...."
 
Please feel free to voice your opinions, stories and advice!

All things considered, a good guitarist will always be easier to replace than a good singer - especially in an old-school, classic blues band. Much easier.

So now you guys are in the driver's seat: Assuming your friend is prepared to continue playing with you for the time being, you can either schedule auditions for a new guitarist - giving your friend an opportunity to audition for the job as well - or you can just stay with the friend. Personally, I would schedule the auditions. But that's how I roll, and I'm not in your situation.

Methinks that Mr. Hissy Fit Guitarist just tantrummed himself out of a job. By showing his true colors, he did you guys a favor. It's all good.

MM
 
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I think your band needs to write a song about it called "The Hissy Fit Blues". The topic could be inspirational and a real motivator for the remaining band members.
Think about it, in a basic George Thorogood blues riff...

Got up this mornin,
Strapped on my bass.
Picked up the singer,
Went to our place.
Hung with the drummer,
Practiced a set.
Where's the guitarist
He's not here yet!

(Chorus)
We got the blues,
The hissy fit blues.
But ya know its gettin better
When the hissy takes a hike.

...I'll leave the next verse for others to fill in.
Just have fun with it.
 

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