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Re-evaluating my amplification situation

#22
Frank77 said:
FOH was fine (amp was DI to the board). Things were OK for me on stage too, but right at the limit.

I love my mids and never scoop them out! I mostly leave everything flat, but when I do make minor EQ tweaks it's usually to cut some lows when things get too boomy.

The F112 is very sexy (and Ed Friedland, who I hold in very high regard, raves about his) but I'd probably have to sell a kidney to get one. The exchange rate and the shipping to Canada would most likely rip me a new one. If the drawings were available like they were for some of his other designs, I could get one built here...or if they were sold as a kit I could put one together.
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You mentioned that you always had FOH..
An F112 would be more than plenty. It was Ed Friedlands video that made me spring for a Greenboy.. my first was an F210.. deceptively loud for such a tiny box.
I unfortunately had to sell it.. I also have a fEARful 12/6.. it, or a 15/6 would be a great choice, and they are available as a kit from Speaker hardware..

As for Fearless builders, David Homer is in Michigan, at Gigmaster great guy..
My F112 Is crazy loud if needed, and that's with a Mesa D800.. 400 watts a 8ohms.
Then the F112 and 12/6 together...
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It'll shake the enamel off your teeth.
Each cab is roughly 35 lbs.
 
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NOVAX said:
Get a fridge. If your vehicle can hold it.
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Most definitely not! :laugh:

I live in the city and don't own a vehicle, when I have a gig I use a car sharing service and all their cars are compact (Nissan Versa, Toyota Prius, and the like). I live in an apartment and the last thing I need is a humongous monolith taking up real estate in my already cluttered bedroom/studio/office/lab!
 
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MTN.bass72 said:
You mentioned that you always had FOH..
An F112 would be more than plenty. It was Ed Friedlands video that made me spring for a Greenboy.. my first was an F210.. deceptively loud for such a tiny box.
I unfortunately had to sell it.. I also have a fEARful 12/6.. it, or a 15/6 would be a great choice, and they are available as a kit from Speaker hardware..

As for Fearless builders, David Homer is in Michigan, at Gigmaster great guy..
My F112 Is crazy loud if needed, and that's with a Mesa D800.. 400 watts a 8ohms.
Then the F112 and 12/6 together...
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It'll shake the enamel off your teeth.
Each cab is roughly 35 lbs.
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Didn't know they still had kits available, thought everything had migrated to greenboyaudio.com. I'll have to check this out, thanks!
 
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There's of course many, many solutions to this, but IF I really liked the PJB sound, you could add the self-powered PJ300 cabinet. Would add volume and elevate your original combo at the same time.

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I hear ya. (uh, no pun intended) I upgraded to something bigger and loved it! Louder if I need it and just all around better sounding. Played a small gig last night, I knew the stage was tiny so I brought my old combo. Figured I'd tap into the house PA like I did twice before. Welp, this time their PA was a big hot pile of mess, and nobody on staff knew anything about it. I decided I'm NOT fixing it for them, so we got the mics working and I just cranked my combo with no PA support.(and no monitors). Quickly remembered why I upgraded. It wasn't BAD, but I was glued a foot from my amp so I could hear myself. (raised 3 feet)

Several people said it sounded good out front, but I want it to sound good to ME too.
 
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#32
4stringsjack said:
There are many options, and some good ones have been mentioned already. I'll share mine: Mesa Subway D800 head (800 watts into 4 ohms) and a Barefaced Super Twin (40 pounds!!!). It's a great sounding rig and outrageously loud. I've played good sized venues with a loud rock band have never come close to turning it up all the way.
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Man, that is a lot of sexy gear in one picture! Nice G&Ls !
 
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Aidenn7 said:
PJB has Ears monitors that you put on a stand.. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
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Yeah, I've seen those and I think it's pretty smart. However, I find it quite expensive for what it is, plus it means another mic stand will add to the clutter on stage. I want to bring less stuff, not more!

I know it means a bigger investment but at this point if I'm going to spend money on amplification, I think I'd rather upgrade to the flexibility of a lightweight cab + head configuration.
 
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Frank77 said:
Yeah, I've seen those and I think it's pretty smart. However, I find it quite expensive for what it is, plus it means another mic stand will add to the clutter on stage. I want to bring less stuff, not more!

I know it means a bigger investment but at this point if I'm going to spend money on amplification, I think I'd rather upgrade to the flexibility of a lightweight cab + head configuration.
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well the gear I use and like is Thunderfunk and Accugroove.. I really want a fridge myself I don't want a tweeter.. but Accugroove 3 way and 4 way cabs systems are light and very nice..
 
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Aidenn7 said:
Accugroove 3 way and 4 way cabs systems are light and very nice..
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I had an Accugroove 2x10 (plus 5 1/4" midrange driver) cab on loan from a former student over the past year or so, and used it at some medium-sized gigs with my Little Mark Tube 800. It was light weight, sounded good, and moved a decent amount of air. They're crazy expensive though, so that's a consideration...
 
#38
Like some others have said, the high excursion 12s are no joke. I decided to build my own cab for the experience, but I no experience with the high excursion 12s. I built a 2x12 with Faital 12PR300s. It weighs just over 50 pounds and I can't imagine a gig that would be too loud for it to keep up. I should have built a 1x12 and that would be plenty for my needs. Take a look at any of the various cabs built around these drivers and you'll have plenty of volume.
 
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#39
You might consider buying a second rig for larger stages. Some large stages you can run instruments through the monitors - if the monitors can handle it. But I like to have the muscle to not need monitor support for my bass. 1,000 watt lightweight rackmount amps are pretty cheap. Combined with a used cab and a preamp/head of your choice - you can get some serious volume levels.

Maybe take the 4x5 combo and stick it on a 4 ohm 4x10 cab, running a line out of the PJ to a rackmount amp to power the 4x10. That way your tone doesn’t change much. Otherwise you can get a complete second rig that handles 800 watts and blows the drummer over.
 
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I used to use one or two Fearless F112's. I’ve now switched to using either a single F210 or a single F212, mostly just to avoid carrying two cabs.

Works great for me, through my bridged WW stereo head (1000 watts into 4 ohms.

In your situation I would probably try a Quilter BB 800 for amplification.
 
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