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Real Differences In Heads Through 2x10?

My trouble is that my cab has to stay...only cab that'll fit my car!

I had bigger cabs before, but TBH, they didn't sound much better...

Maybe I'm not cranking up enough. Would I benefit from a smaller head at a louder volume? I'm never near 1/4 at my current set up.

What about a preamp that offers some emulations of pedals that will provide some grit or amp emulations like an SVT?

I play a TCE BG250 which does have it's own "Tube Drive" circuit for adding some warmth and/or grit and got me close to the Ampeg tonality I've typically preferred. But adding a Zoom B3 as an add preamp was a game changer. My buddy and guitarist has an Ampeg BA112 in our rehearsal space and adding it to that amp has him looking to pick one up as well.

No 1x15 combo is gonna sound like a 300w tube head through an 8x10 cab but it does capture the essence of that throaty SVT sound. The same with the B15 model and the Eden WT and the rest. Each is like a snap shot of that amps basic tonality. Cab emulations can add to that with some and not at all with others when played through the amp itself but are very useful through full range/flat response speakers and a FOH PA.

They're $200 new but used B3s go for around $120 or less. It may be something worth trying to see if it can give you what you want. Cheaper than a new rig and if it doesn't work out you won't have much trouble getting your money back out of it. It's also a handy backup for your rig in the event it should ever fail during a gig. Or you could even use it stand alone with a powered cab you like. Just thinking outside the box here.
 
Playing a US Geddy with D'addario NYXL strings.

Great bass (my dream bass for some time), but I was just wanting to add a bit more Geddy grind without a pre amp.....then the more I look, the more I think that an amp is an amp, and a pre amp is the only fix?

The "Geddy grind" is the result of a very overdriven/distorted signal mixed with a clean one.

If the overdrive circuit on the Rumble isn't doing it for you, it's very unlikely that another amp (with the possible exception of a Darkglass M900 or one of the Tech 21 units) is going to give you what you're looking for.

I'd take a look at some pedal offerings, namely Tech 21 since that's what Geddy uses himself.

Their new DP-3X also allows you to blend a high gain tone with a clean tone:







 
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Geddy's "grind" comes primarily from his right-hand attack on the strings. There are some good YouTube videos where you can see how he does this. :)

It actually comes primarily from driving the signal with a Tech 21 RBI/RPM.

His aggressive attack is certainly part of the sound, but plugged straight in to a totally clean amp or DI his tone would be entirely different.
 
I think my problem with my current rig, is that it lacks grit.

Volume is no problem...400w through the cab, 500w head...but together, it just seems to be missing something. Either concentrated punch from the 2x10, or grind from the head. Just a kind of middy 'meh'.
What you describe here usually happens to people who are shy on gain because they're affraid of blinking lights.
Not sure if it's your case but a lack of punch typically means a lack of mid hump and grit is the result of slight overdrive on attacks.
Both come by themselves when you push the gain hard. Push your gain extra hard and see what it does to your tone.
 
I think my problem with my current rig, is that it lacks grit.
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Maybe a match with a MB head would sound better?
I have a Markbass Traveler 2x10 and use it with a Rumble 500 v3. Before that, I tried gigging with the Markbass Little Mark III and the Ampeg PF-500 among others. I was really underwhelmed by the LM III. If you want grit, do not go with LM III -- it sounded really sterile with the Traveler 2x10 (which is pretty sterile itself). The PF-500 sounded better to me, but it kept cutting out on gigs, so I ditched it.

Interesting that you think the Rumble lacks grit; did you read up on how to get more grit? Surprisingly, they say to crank the master rather than the gain. Also, try using the built-in overdrive -- you can get plenty of grit from that if you want. And, of course, your bass makes a significant difference in the equation.

If you want grit, I'd avoid Markbass heads unless you wanna go for one of the pricier tube heads.
 
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I think part of the issue is that I'm playing on such a low volume - never really go above a 1/4 on master, even at gigs...so it's nowhere near it's potential.

I did consider going and picking up something like a TC 250w combo, and pushing that a little more. Add a bit of Tone Print for grind.....or the TC 250 head, same principle, but I'd be using the Markbass cab, so......?
 
I'm window shopping for a new head, and whilst getting lost in an array of specs and figures.....

I'm playing through a Markbass 2x10. So not a mega-rig....meaning, or I'm wondering, if I'll ever notice a major differences between heads?

Current head is a Rumble 500, been looking at other Markbass and the Ampeg PF 500 as well.

Obviously the sound of my bass, and cab, is what it is. So am I getting carried away here? It won't be a 4x12 overnight.....so is the head the most negligible part of the set-up?

I used combos for years, so all this choice is quite new to me.....

A Markbass will be less gritty than the Rumble, however more focused, more honest in the mids and definitly more audible in a livemix, but never gritty without some pedals. Ampeg pf might be a nice choice. If you want good grit from the head without using pedal I would consider a Aguilar TH500 if you got a large budget or a Tech21 VTbass500 if you want something cheap

Back too the Rumbles again, they are a muddy mess, not worthy of your markbass-cab
 
I have a Markbass Traveler 2x10 and use it with a Rumble 500 v3. Before that, I tried gigging with the Markbass Little Mark III and the Ampeg PF-500 among others. I was really underwhelmed by the LM III. If you want grit, do not go with LM III -- it sounded really sterile with the Traveler 2x10 (which is pretty sterile itself). The PF-500 sounded better to me, but it kept cutting out on gigs, so I ditched it.

Interesting that you think the Rumble lacks grit; did you read up on how to get more grit? Surprisingly, they say to crank the master rather than the gain. Also, try using the built-in overdrive -- you can get plenty of grit from that if you want. And, of course, your bass makes a significant difference in the equation.

If you want grit, I'd avoid Markbass heads unless you wanna go for one of the pricier tube heads.
^^^This is all right on the money!^^^ The secret to getting some tube like grind out of the Rumble OD is low settings. Low or even No Gain. Low Drive. Level to unity gain = volume is the same with OD on as with OD off. Subtlety is key. It is all too easy to go from grindy grit to garbage. Your ears. Your call.
 
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Your best bet on eq setting for your Rumble would be in the Fender Rumble club. Very nice ad helpful people. If you ask there, you absolutely will get an answer. You can also search it for some suggested settings for this and that sound. IIRC there are quite a few of those "recipes" scattered through the thread. They would also know how the gain, overdrive interact. Those of us that haven't had a Rumble amp are only able to offer more genetic settings that will need tested. I expect you can find your way with the Rumble, or get very close and maybe add a pedal or two.
^^^Bob's Your Uncle!^^^
 
I think part of the issue is that I'm playing on such a low volume - never really go above a 1/4 on master, even at gigs...so it's nowhere near it's potential.
You would do better with a Rumble 200. That's what I play. Sounds much better to push an amp hard on the rails than have some large amount of lazy watts just idling along. I really like the Eminence 15 that is in the Rumble 200 combo. In your typical hundred peep pub, it roars with authority all on its own.

On a separate note, I'm in love with my new Rumble Studio 40. Tons of great amp models (to include all the British icons: Marshall; Orange, and Hiwatt) and presets from which to choose. There is one RUSH preset called 'Limelight' and one YES preset called 'Roundabout'. Authentic to a fault. And of course you can make your own.
 
Great advice, many thanks.

What Linnin has confirmed is the point that crossed my mind, that I'd be better suited pushing less power, than barely warming up 500w.

So a 250w head, pushed a little, could help.

Any suggestions? Rumble 200, Ampeg, Ashdown....combo or head?

The TC 250 head isn't much cheaper than the 15" combo....grit from the Tone Print?
 
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Any suggestions?
Well, Linnin gave a solid vote for the Rumble 200, but the new Studio 40 seems like it might be useable with good PA support while being awesome at home. Fender's also new Stage 800 combo has some modeling that might also get you to Geddy's tones while being able to carry a room.

I always recommend PF50T because it is saweeeeeeet, though probably better with a matching pair of svt210av cabs.

But since you've already got a clean-volume machine, the cost effective thing to do is to Do What Washer Machine Amp Geddy Would Do and just get a Tech21 pedal or two... or the GED2112

Also something Geddy might be into, it gets good on page 2 Tech 21 Sansamp RBI VS RPM
 
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Well, Linnin gave a solid vote for the Rumble 200, but the new Studio 40 seems like it might be useable with good PA support while being awesome at home. Fender's also new Stage 800 combo has some modeling that might also get you to Geddy's tones while being able to carry a room.
Very same digital modeling front end on both the Studio 40 and Stage 800. The amount of tube amp goodness in these things is crazy dada.
 
Go with the PF; they're designed to get some grit. My Ashdown and Genz Benz heads also have some built in grit. You want a FET or tube preamp that you can overdrive.

If you could get this tone on your Rumble, the odds are someone would have posted control settings by now. :thumbsup:

 
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You might try adding a outboard preamp. I also owned a TC BH250 head, and was playing it through 2 - 1x12" cabs. I found the sound to he "meh", so upon the suggestion of a bass-playing friend I tried one of the Behringer BDI-21 preamp pedals ($30 - $40). I was AMAZED at the difference this inexpensive pedal made in the sound ! Might be an inexpensive solution to your problem !
 
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