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Reasons behind split pickups in P-Bass setup

No. You see a lot of P pickups slanted to follow the fretboard radius, but it is not necessary. There is a larger supporting magnetic field surrounding the A and D strings since the field of each of those strings is within the magnetic field of the adjacent strings, both sides. The outer strings do not benefit from the additional support from their outer sides. So, to get a true balance it is not necessary to angle the pickups. You often hear players complaining that the E string on their P-Bass lacks power or definition. Often that is in part because they have the pickups angled to follow the fretboard radius.

The trick, and it's no trick at all, is to use your ears not your eyes when balancing the pickup.
The I may reason I ever angle pickups (and it has nothing to do with my fret board radius) is to even out volume across the strings. I play with it til I get even output. I do the same thing on singles. Its just not quite as perfect being that its one bar.
 
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Cody Monster, the minutiae of this post is quite amazing-thanks to the worldwide brotherhood of bass geeks here! I have been playing for year and years and still don’t understand a lot of the technical aspects. But if starting out, I wouldn’t worry too much because learning to play matters the most. Keep it simple: if you want a good sounding bass that is easy to dial in, go w a pbass. If your goal is a modern sound and/or modern slap tone, get one with 2 pickups. Hopefully, there would be a music store near you to try some out.
 
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Hey,

Just to weigh in here :)


I meant the P style pickup (two units in one position) vs a single-unit (tradional) humbucker. I did not know the split-P was connected to work as a humbucker, but it does not change the original question itself.

The confusion as to not being a humbucker according to some, is probably that people know a humbucker as a single unit with two coils, and the two-unit P are just single-coils to them regardless of what they end up doing. It does the same thing in the end and was done to bypass a patent.

I was just curious why a lot of players prefer the P setup vs a single-unit humbucker in the same position.

The question stems from the fact that I am looking for a bass to buy in a limited budget (±$500) and in that bracket it is either a classic P or J fender type or a bass with two humbuckers like the Ibanez/Yamaha. I don't like the hum/noise when not playing, and most basses with P at the neck and H at the bridge are in the $1000+ range. To complicate things even more I would prefer to get fretless, limiting the choice even more unless I defret myself. Ibanez SR370EF is on the shortlist, so I was just trying to see how the P pickup would be different at the neck vs the humbuckers on say the Ibanez/Yamaha/others.

Loving all the info going back and forth! Thanks for all the feedback.

PS: I know the details are not important at the start as it will take me a few years to get the hang of playing bass anyway, I just don't like wasting money if I know there will be things that bug me later on. I'm a min-maxer ;)
 
Hey,

Just to weigh in here :)


I meant the P style pickup (two units in one position) vs a single-unit (tradional) humbucker. I did not know the split-P was connected to work as a humbucker, but it does not change the original question itself.

The confusion as to not being a humbucker according to some, is probably that people know a humbucker as a single unit with two coils, and the two-unit P are just single-coils to them regardless of what they end up doing. It does the same thing in the end and was done to bypass a patent.

I was just curious why a lot of players prefer the P setup vs a single-unit humbucker in the same position.

The question stems from the fact that I am looking for a bass to buy in a limited budget (±$500) and in that bracket it is either a classic P or J fender type or a bass with two humbuckers like the Ibanez/Yamaha. I don't like the hum/noise when not playing, and most basses with P at the neck and H at the bridge are in the $1000+ range. To complicate things even more I would prefer to get fretless, limiting the choice even more unless I defret myself. Ibanez SR370EF is on the shortlist, so I was just trying to see how the P pickup would be different at the neck vs the humbuckers on say the Ibanez/Yamaha/others.

Loving all the info going back and forth! Thanks for all the feedback.

PS: I know the details are not important at the start as it will take me a few years to get the hang of playing bass anyway, I just don't like wasting money if I know there will be things that bug me later on. I'm a min-maxer ;)
OK, here's the deal...I have played basses with awesome P, J, humbucking, and non-humbucking pickups of all kinds. I've also played basses with awful versions of everything. There is no single P sound, there is no single J sound, no single humbucking or non-humbucking sound. What matters is not the pickup but the sound, and you can't generalize everything into categories. Everything is strictly on a case by case basis.
 
Thank Talk Bass members....
Now I have something else to contemplate about the bass, not that I was looking for more.
I've own P-Basses for 40 years and never once thought about why or for what reason P-Basses have split pick ups.
They just do. I own an old Squier P-Bass Special by Fender, now called a PJ bass, I believe, it has the split pickups in the
usual P-Bass position and a Jazz pick up at the bridge.
When dialing in the tone I desire, I usual only use the split pick ups and leave the Jazz pick up off.
It's a fun bass because it has a Jazz style neck with a P-Bass tone and it was only $90 on craigslist but needed work.
Another $40 bucks spent on parts and a day or two of labor but still a bargain to me.
 
OK, here's the deal...I have played basses with awesome P, J, humbucking, and non-humbucking pickups of all kinds. I've also played basses with awful versions of everything. There is no single P sound, there is no single J sound, no single humbucking or non-humbucking sound. What matters is not the pickup but the sound, and you can't generalize everything into categories. Everything is strictly on a case by case basis.

JimmyM knows his stuff! (Happy Bday Jimmy BTW) but...again starting out keep it simple and hopefully you can sample sounds at a local shop. I say if you want that sound of your fellow Dutchman, I probably would shy away from a pbass. But Jimmy is right, each bass will have its own unique character...I still think you can generalize though.
 
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No. You see a lot of P pickups slanted to follow the fretboard radius, but it is not necessary. There is a larger supporting magnetic field surrounding the A and D strings since the field of each of those strings is within the magnetic field of the adjacent strings, both sides. The outer strings do not benefit from the additional support from their outer sides. So, to get a true balance it is not necessary to angle the pickups. You often hear players complaining that the E string on their P-Bass lacks power or definition. Often that is in part because they have the pickups angled to follow the fretboard radius.

The trick, and it's no trick at all, is to use your ears not your eyes when balancing the pickup.
Thanks for that, I wanted to say this but was just not in the mood for an argument.
Seems this has to be explained to about half of everybody who owns a P Bass.
The incorrect rumor passes via the eyes (in person, in pictures, and on video) I think that's why it's so hard to kill.
 
Seems this has to be explained to about half of everybody who owns a P Bass.
The incorrect rumor passes via the eyes (in person, in pictures, and on video) I think that's why it's so hard to kill.

Probably more than half. I was in the dark until @Turnaround opened my eyes to it not long ago.

It should probably be a sticky in the pickups/setups forum. Seriously.
 
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Hey,

Just to weigh in here :)


I meant the P style pickup (two units in one position) vs a single-unit (tradional) humbucker. I did not know the split-P was connected to work as a humbucker, but it does not change the original question itself.

The confusion as to not being a humbucker according to some, is probably that people know a humbucker as a single unit with two coils, and the two-unit P are just single-coils to them regardless of what they end up doing. It does the same thing in the end and was done to bypass a patent.

I was just curious why a lot of players prefer the P setup vs a single-unit humbucker in the same position.

The question stems from the fact that I am looking for a bass to buy in a limited budget (±$500) and in that bracket it is either a classic P or J fender type or a bass with two humbuckers like the Ibanez/Yamaha. I don't like the hum/noise when not playing, and most basses with P at the neck and H at the bridge are in the $1000+ range. To complicate things even more I would prefer to get fretless, limiting the choice even more unless I defret myself. Ibanez SR370EF is on the shortlist, so I was just trying to see how the P pickup would be different at the neck vs the humbuckers on say the Ibanez/Yamaha/others.

Loving all the info going back and forth! Thanks for all the feedback.

PS: I know the details are not important at the start as it will take me a few years to get the hang of playing bass anyway, I just don't like wasting money if I know there will be things that bug me later on. I'm a min-maxer ;)
A P bass will give you an angry, meaty, growly tone when used with a pic. And, a well rounded, huge sounding, fundamental tone when used with your fingers. Its slap sound is not a preferred sound to most because of the increased mid range (which you can scoop out by the way), but it far excells at just about everything else. Meaty, woody, bassy, and full. Noiseless as well. If you've got a choice between an H-H, and a Split-H, I'd take the split-H. Then it would have a plethora of tone. It'd almost nail a stingray, and it would also double as a standard P bass. Which works for pretty much everything.
 
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No. You see a lot of P pickups slanted to follow the fretboard radius, but it is not necessary. There is a larger supporting magnetic field surrounding the A and D strings since the field of each of those strings is within the magnetic field of the adjacent strings, both sides. The outer strings do not benefit from the additional support from their outer sides. So, to get a true balance it is not necessary to angle the pickups. You often hear players complaining that the E string on their P-Bass lacks power or definition. Often that is in part because they have the pickups angled to follow the fretboard radius.

The trick, and it's no trick at all, is to use your ears not your eyes when balancing the pickup.
Whats funny is that I didn't ever notice anybody ever had their split angled. Until, I bought my talman. It showed up (to me) completely jacked in different directions. I couldn't, for the life of me, understand why anybody would do that? I'd never seen that before. So, I was immediately pissed off at the set up. I whipped my screw driver out, leveled my pickups, dropped them halfway into the body, and started playing. I then noticed that my E string was incredibly loud and boomy, and my G string was even louder, but slightly distorted and kind of piercing. I then started messing with the screws til I got the strings even. It was almost in the position that it came in...almost. I then understood.

See, my Gio was perfectly fine leveled. My roadster was perfectly fine leveled. My SR605 (soapbar splits) was perfectly fine leveled. This guy was not. Neither was my affinity PJ, my buddy's P I fixed up for him, my Kestrel JJ, or my new purple PJ, or my kids Mikro. But, since my first 2 basses were, I actually never new angling them was even a thing. I never went shopping for another bass til a few years ago. Both the gio and the roadster, I got off friends of mine, and they had them set up the way I kept them for the next 15 years. Never had a thought of a problem.
 
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Here's another great double split-coil design, but they don't make these anymore:

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